That is one way of looking at it...
Religions Subversive Use of the Bible
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That is one way of looking at it...
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
Your church and all of the protestant churches were borne out of not following Paul, but Peter.
Ben Masada
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Yes, there are many ways according to preconceived notions.
And, every now and then, a light bulb goes off and a totally new vision occurs.
Ben Masada
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That's interesting Aikido, I am also of the same opinion that "Christ" has more to do with Paul than with Jesus. Why? Because Paul was the one who anointed Jesus with being "Christ". BTW, he revealed that secret of his to his disciple Timothy in II Tim. 2:8 when he said that it was according to his own gospel - Paul's gospel, that is - that Jesus was from the lineage of David.
brewmama
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?? In general most Orthodox churches named after those saints are called Sts. Peter AND Paul, in general since they were both martyred in Rome. You have a weird idea of splitting them up.
SaulToPaul 2
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In doctrine, they put Peter first.
Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, it was the same Gospel that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, but with much more detail, Galatians 1:11, 12.
Why is it that you cannot believe your Jewish brothers?
brewmama
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They don't differ.
paul people think peter went to babylon
brewmama
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Well, he certainly went to Antioch, where they were first called Christians, and was the first Bishop there.
Bradley D
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I believe Paul was making a point that "works" will not earn you a place in heaven. I Believe James is telling us that if we have "faith" it will show in our lives by our actions. James was included in the NT for a reason. I regard James Epistle as scripture and always will.
I do too.
But it is teaching us something about James that was a problem in the early church.
James was out of order when he wanted to circumsize Gentile Christians.
He was also out of order when he sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles.
Like I said before, the Bible is an honest book it does not hide the sins and the mistakes of God's people.
SaulToPaul 2
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Sure they do.
JonahofAkron
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1. You didn't answer his question. Do we ignore the book of James?
2. You misunderstand what a Judaizer is.
3. Paul still claimed with his words and actions that he lived a Jewish lifestyle and never contradicted the Law.
You seem to be judging yourself. I merely asked a series of questions. You judged yourself, Robert, and then tried to project your own inner consternation onto me.
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”Friend, who made ME a judge?”
--Luke 12:14
Well, Christianity did.
Since Jesus was alive centuries after the Hebrew Bible, it is only common sense to realize Matthew’s agenda was to double down on the Jews who did not accept Jesus.
Bradley D
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I was Peter and James in Acts 15 who announced that circumcision was not required of the Gentiles. James made the following restrictions for the Gentiles.
“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood" (Acts 15:19-20).
James was trying to repent, Acts 15:19.
But then in Acts 15:20, 21. He lays the law on them again.
We have to keep in mind that the Jewish apostles were not exactly thrilled that the Gospel had gone to the Gentiles.
I am sure that at a later date James came into the full understanding of justification by faith alone, apart from the works of the law.
beloved57
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You are also a false accuser of the Apostle James !