Redskins

[Yorzhik]

You should actually read the article. There may have been no complaints, but there also isn't an obvious mechanism for complaints to be submitted by people not directly involved. And they also aren't counting Ms. Blackhorse's action.

And there may have been no complaints because nobody cared to complain. It took me all of a few minutes to find the place to complain about that derogatory term "Yankee."

I guess you figure the Indians are too barbaric to have the Internet. Like all left-wingers, in the end it's the pride of the useful idiots that let's your leaders pull you around by the nose.

 

[rexlunae]

And there may have been no complaints because nobody cared to complain.

It's possible. But you don't know. That's the problem. It was your article, but you suddenly don't trust it because it doesn't actually support what you want it to.

It took me all of a few minutes to find the place to complain about that derogatory term "Yankee."

I guess you figure the Indians are too barbaric to have the Internet.

You'd like that, if you could find a way to push that onto me.

Like all left-wingers, in the end it's the pride of the useful idiots that let's your leaders pull you around by the nose.

:deadhorse:

You guys really need to come up with some new material.

 

[Yorzhik]

It's possible. But you don't know. That's the problem. It was your article, but you suddenly don't trust it because it doesn't actually support what you want it to.

You'd like that, if you could find a way to push that onto me.

:deadhorse:

You guys really need to come up with some new material.

Oh no. You're becoming another Granite. Choosing debate tactics instead of substance.

As I found out, and as the article states, legal challenges to a trademark almost always are made through a lawyer. But the comments that you can leave for the USTPO are recorded for a particular trademark and saved. It isn't hard to find or make those comments as you claimed. And you can get those comments if you'd like to get an idea what the public thinks. And on a nationally known story like this one, there should be comments. BTW, they also save letters written to the USTPO which you can also get.

So either people don't care about the name, or they can't use the internet. Which is it? You don't have to answer and you don't have to get so defensive, that's what is known as a 'rhetorical question'.

And, yes, that horse is still around but it's not dead. The left's leaders, with enough "education", can get useful idiots like yourself to believe that a horrible injustice is being committed against Native Indians. Then they use your strength to gain power for them, but you don't care because at the bottom of it all, you have too much pride to admit when you are wrong.

 

[Town Heretic]

Oh no. You're becoming another Granite. Choosing debate tactics instead of substance.

As I found out, and as the article states, legal challenges to a trademark almost always are made through a lawyer. But the comments that you can leave for the USTPO are recorded for a particular trademark and saved. It isn't hard to find or make those comments as you claimed. And you can get those comments if you'd like to get an idea what the public thinks. And on a nationally known story like this one, there should be comments. BTW, they also save letters written to the USTPO which you can also get.

So either people don't care about the name, or they can't use the internet. Which is it?

Or, being represented by the suit and conduct of a number of Indian Nations and alliances, they are content to allow the objection and representatives to speak for them. That's the more reasonable inference given the Seminole Nation, etc. are publicly in support of the measure, as I chronicled early in this thread.

And, yes, that horse is still around but it's not dead. The left's leaders, with enough "education", can get useful idiots like yourself to believe that a horrible injustice is being committed against Native Indians.

You don't have to believe calling a Native American "redskin" is a "horrible injustice" to believe it's wrong headed and to question why anyone who says it would continue to say it once he sees the objection.

So why would they keep at it, even try to say they meant it as a compliment...why...you have any ideas?

you have too much pride to admit when you are wrong.

Your pronoun is off, but that does seem to be a part of it otherwise.

 

[rexlunae]

Oh no. You're becoming another Granite. Choosing debate tactics instead of substance.

At most, I responded to you in kind.

As I found out, and as the article states, legal challenges to a trademark almost always are made through a lawyer. But the comments that you can leave for the USTPO are recorded for a particular trademark and saved. It isn't hard to find or make those comments as you claimed. And you can get those comments if you'd like to get an idea what the public thinks. And on a nationally known story like this one, there should be comments. BTW, they also save letters written to the USTPO which you can also get.

Yes, but people are a lot less inclined to submit feedback that isn't expected to have any impact on anything either.

So either people don't care about the name, or they can't use the internet. Which is it?

Asked and answered.

You don't have to answer and you don't have to get so defensive, that's what is known as a 'rhetorical question'.

I don't see a lot of point in the conversation. I've laid out pretty clearly where I stand, I pointed out that your question is answered in the link that you yourself posted, and for whatever reason, you don't care for that answer, and you would like to make me appear condescending in giving it. And you would like me to know that you think very little of liberals. What more is there to say? We aren't going to agree, and you clearly don't have anything new to add other than a couple of sneers. And I don't feel especially obligated to respond to the standard right-wing tosh about liberals.

And, yes, that horse is still around but it's not dead. The left's leaders, with enough "education", can get useful idiots like yourself to believe that a horrible injustice is being committed against Native Indians. Then they use your strength to gain power for them, but you don't care because at the bottom of it all, you have too much pride to admit when you are wrong.

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[resurrected]

That's because it doesn't bother you. I doubt the people it does feel that way about it and they're the ones actually being impacted by it

How are they "being impacted by it"?

I wouldn't be surprised to see legal action at some point.

on what grounds?

 

[Town Heretic]

While I don't feel particularly obligated to answer you, in the interest of getting you off this particular excuse:

How are they "being impacted by it"?

By having their people stereotyped in a way that causes them embarrassment and distress, like a minstrel show might any number of black people.

on what grounds?

Most likely grounds for a suit would be the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress. I don't think it has much legs, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone or a group attempted it given the litigious nature of our society and the sort of bad feeling this kind of thing can engender.

 

[resurrected]

so the best you can come up with is "embarrassment and emotional distress"? :darwinsm:



:mock:emotionally distressed and embarrassed indians

 

[Town Heretic]

so the best you can come up with is "embarrassment and emotional distress"? :darwinsm:

No, you short term memory wunderkind you: intentional infliction of emotional distress.

That's the most likely suit, and an actual tort. You asked a faux question and I gave you a real answer.

Did you get a tan while you were vacationing or is that just your blood pressure acting up?

:mock:emotionally distressed and embarrassed indians

lain: Yeah, that's hysterical.

 

[resurrected]

lain: Yeah, that's hysterical.

rather, it's hilariously ironic


names like "the redskins" were chosen because indians were seen as fierce, stoic warriors

names like "the redskins" will be eliminated because it turns out that indians are easily embarrassed and emotionally distressed


:mock:big whiny wussie emo indians

 

[Catholic Crusader]

rather, it's hilariously ironic


names like "the redskins" were chosen because indians were seen as fierce, stoic warriors

names like "the redskins" will be eliminated because it turns out that indians are easily embarrassed and emotionally distressed


:mock:big whiny wussie emo indians

The last poll taken among Indians, several years old, said that 90% of them had no problem with the name "Redskins". The only people who have a problem with it are liberal white people. They love to create these non-issues before elections to take the spotlight off the fact that they are utter failures and dimwits.

- - That's right, I said Indians, not Native-Americans. If anyone does not like that then put your complaint in an envelope and mail it some someone who give a darn.

 

[Quincy]

The last poll taken among Indians, several years old, said that 90% of them had no problem with the name "Redskins". The only people who have a problem with it are liberal white people. They love to create these non-issues before elections to take the spotlight off the fact that they are utter failures and dimwits.

- - That's right, I said Indians, not Native-Americans. If anyone does not like that then put your complaint in an envelope and mail it some someone who give a darn.

As someone of native descent, I don't care what you call me as you're no one to me. I do agree that some people make a big deal of non-issues, though. I also think many people feel shame over names like that, for whatever reason. So they want them removed. The PC crowd's worse fear is being seen as less than perfect.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

.....I do agree that some people make a big deal of non-issues, though......

Agreed.

.........The PC crowd's worse fear is being seen as less than perfect.

Perhaps.

.........I also think many people feel shame over names like that, for whatever reason........

I am half Italian and half Irish. I have heard every Italian and Irish name and joke there is. I have never ever once felt a sliver of shame over any of them. If you think people feel shame over names then such people are of weak character.

I remember when I went to school we called each other all sorts of names and then laughed about it with each other. If we were in school today we'd probably all get thrown out. People didn't give a crap back then because we weren't a bunch of sissy-la la's like kids are today.

I used to call my black buddies "Kunta Kinte" (popular back then) and "dumb n-word" (that's right) and they would call me honkey (popular back then) and white bread, white boy, and all that stuff, and we were all buds. Nobody cared about that stuff, regardless of color.

Somehow, between then and now, people have turned into a bunch of snivelling weasels. Its pathetic.

 

[resurrected]

The last poll taken among Indians, several years old, said that 90% of them had no problem with the name "Redskins". The only people who have a problem with it are liberal white people. They love to create these non-issues before elections to take the spotlight off the fact that they are utter failures and dimwits.

- - That's right, I said Indians, not Native-Americans. If anyone does not like that then put your complaint in an envelope and mail it some someone who give a darn.

someone should take a poll and see how indians feel about morons like town painting them as whiny wussie emo's who are easily embarrassed and emotionally distressed

 

[Town Heretic]

The last poll taken among Indians, several years old, said that 90% of them had no problem with the name "Redskins".

Yep. Though the number has been growing. It was around seven percent a few years earlier. But that means ten percent of the Native American population has a real problem with it.

The only people who have a problem with it are liberal white people.

So, are you being irrational or dishonest? (see: 10 percent of Native Americans)

They love to create these non-issues before elections to take the spotlight off the fact that they are utter failures and dimwits.

Native Americans have been objecting to this for literally decades.

- - That's right, I said Indians, not Native-Americans.

Right. You're willfully ignorant.

Merriam Webster: Indian: a native or inhabitant of India or of the East Indies.

You might have used American Indian, though you'd be trading on the old, institutionalized error, but not you. Did you hitch your belt and set your jaw before you typed that?

If anyone does not like that then put your complaint in an envelope and mail it some someone who give a darn.

Right. lain:

 

[resurrected]

- - That's right, I said Indians, not Native-Americans. If anyone does not like that then put your complaint in an envelope and mail it some someone who give a darn.

i'm a Native American

i was born here

my folks were born here

their folks were born here

their folks were born here

etc, etc, etc

 

[Catholic Crusader]

.....I said Indians, not Native-Americans......

....Right. You're willfully ignorant.......

LOL. What is ignorant is how you goosestep to the drumbeat of political correctness like the rest of you politico-correcto-socialists do.

No leftwing jerkwad tells me what I can and cannot say. I say what I want. You say what your god Obama tells you you can say.

 

[Town Heretic]

i'm a Native American

No. You're native to the United States of America, a small "n", native American.

Native American: a member of any of the first groups of people living in North America or South America; especially : a member of one of these groups from the U.S. Merriam Webster

 

[resurrected]

Native American: a member of any of the first groups of people living in North America...

yep

that's me

my ancestors were some of the first


long long before there was a "United States of america"

 

[Yorzhik]

Or, being represented by the suit and conduct of a number of Indian Nations and alliances, they are content to allow the objection and representatives to speak for them. That's the more reasonable inference given the Seminole Nation, etc. are publicly in support of the measure, as I chronicled early in this thread.

Sure, that could be it. And I've stated as much. But it's still a mark in favor of those that understand the name is not being used as a pejorative. Your best answer is to say it isn't a complete proof even though it isn't offered as such. But I always respect the best answer.

You don't have to believe calling a Native American "redskin" is a "horrible injustice" to believe it's wrong headed and to question why anyone who says it would continue to say it once he sees the objection.

Yes, you must see it as a horrible injustice once the objection is seen and it realized as wrong, yet you continue to object. Ya'll are wronger than the Demi Moore character.

So why would they keep at it, even try to say they meant it as a compliment...why...you have any ideas?

Because it is, in fact, a compliment.

you have too much pride to admit when you are wrong.

Your pronoun is off, but that does seem to be a part of it otherwise.

Maybe you aren't as familiar with Rex's earlier work. He used to be more rational and intelligent (albeit mixed with youthful inexperience). He's abandoned that early success for incoherent conclusions and debate tactics. I think I'm safe in saying that pride was a foundational reason for him to devolve instead of grow.