Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
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Sonnet
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There appears to be some ambivalence regarding Nang's position: http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-for-all-men&p=4682690&viewfull=1#post4682690
Apologies to Nang - I was wrong to affirm this.
Apologies to Nang - I was wrong to affirm this.
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'nough said. Now I know why you go in circles. <back on ignore>
Nang
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Reformers proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ indiscriminately to all who will listen. We simply cannot know who has been given ears to hear and enabled by God to respond with faith.
Thus, we are careful referring to "our" if we are witnessing to known non-Christians, lest we give them false assurance or any notion of universal salvation contingent upon their mere choosing to believe (aka "easy believism").
This is also why Reformers do not make altar calls.
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What?? Surely you jest? You also have stated you [we] can tell the difference between one's emotions and sincere beief in Christ Jesus. What does that say about your own?
God's Truth
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...but who is the one sighing?
PneumaPsucheSoma
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I presume nothing. You're a self-admitted and contending extreme Kenoticist. You've placed yourself outside the Faith with your own confession and false belief. It's a matter of historical fact for over 17 centuries.
Speaking of someone "believing themself the 'Big man'". You adamantly stand against over 1700 years of Christian history, and you want to say I'm the problem. Amazing.
God's Truth
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Wow. Are you kidding? Calvinists do NOT believe that. Calvinists preach that we cannot believe or obey until we are saved.
In your lack of knowledge about your own denomination, you have just went against your own denomination.
There you go again saying something that Calvinists do NOT ever admit.
You went against Calvinism and made yourself a Lutheran, or any other Faith Alone denomination.
Sonnet
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So just to clarify - you won't say, 'Christ died for our sins,' to unbelievers else they would think they are included in the referent of 'our'?
Let's not forget that Paul preached 'this' (v.11 referring to vv.3-8) to them when he first came to the Corinthians - when they were unbelievers. It's also what he preaches.
Nang
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Paul was speaking in the church at Corinth, which was mixed, but it was obvious to all, he spoke as a church elder and his reference to "our" would refer to believers such as himself.
My point is, no gospel proclamation should be an offer of universal salvation, if sinners would just choose to believe. That is the preaching of a false gospel; it states God's grace is conditional . . Which it is not!
Sonnet
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That the 'our' of v.3 applies to unbelievers within the church is evident from v.2:
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
That it applies to the Corinthians when Paul first came to them - when they were unbelievers - is evident from v.1 and 3a.
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance
Romans 15:20;10:1ff;Titus 2:11;John 3:14-16;1 Timothy 2:3-6.
1Mind1Spirit
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Acts 18
9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.
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Dodged a million of your requests. Are you in jail with nothing to do?
Straight forward. I go with time
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How 'bout universal redemption???
Nang
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This might be a very good guess . . .
Bible don't kid. Let try another. We can not resist salvation. Calvinism teaches that God's grace to save a person cannot be resisted. Grace is God's free and unmerited power to save a person from his sins which would otherwise lead us to hell. Grace brings him to heaven who naturally would end in eternal hell.
That grace is irresistible. That means that if God gives grace to you, there is nothing in the world that you can do to resist it and thwart God's intention to take you to heaven. The certainty of salvation for God's elect is seen in John 6:37 where Jesus says: "All that the Father hath given me shall come to me..." There is no doubt that they will be saved. Verse 44 says that those who come to God come because God draws them. Not our will, but God's will is first and powerful.
Now, you ridicule this truth of the Bible and say that it makes man go to heaven against his will. "He kicks and screams all the way to heaven." But that is not how the Bible presents God's grace. God makes His people "willing in the day of His power "Psalm 110:3. For a wonderful illustration of that truth, just consider the converted Apostle Paul. "By the grace of God' he was what he was (I Corinthians 15:10). And immediately after his conversion he said willingly, "Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?" Acts 9:6. That surely was not against his will.
God's grace is sweet and irresistible. He makes us love it and want nothing else. He is as irresistible to us as a husband to his newly-wed bride. Come with us and hear God's wonderful grace proclaimed in Christ any Lord's Day.
He said he isn't a believer and he must be going mad trying to be one and using the wrong door
