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kmoney said:
I've known a few homeschoolers. They were all pretty intelligent. Never hung out with them though so....
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Me too..I've known intelligent homeschoolers and dumb ones. I've known intelligent kids and adults who went through public education and some dumb ones. I've also known trouble makers and criminals on both sides of the fence. One of the worst criminals I have ever seen come in the Juvenile Justice System in 10 years was homeschooled. Does that make all homeschoolers criminals? Certainly not! I wish some people here would start giving me a little consideration and respect. The assumptions and overgeneralizations are old.
 
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SOTK said:
I was wondering the same thing and was thinking about making a similar point.

I sometimes just do not get the homeschoolers around here. A lot of them (not all) are constantly on the attack or on the defensive. Not only that, but can go to great lengths to justify their reasonings for homeschooling. If anybody should feel insulted around here, it is me and all the rest of the Christians who have chose to send their kids to school. You don't see me or very many other posters starting threads to attack the homeschoolers here. It's quite the opposite.
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As you know, I answered Mr. 5020's question earlier about my own homeschooling experience. He asked if I was homeschooled, and I answered "Yes".

He, however, did not ask if I was homeschooled all 12 years.

My first 2 1/2 years were in public school. In those 2 1/2 years (from K, 1st and 1/2 of 2nd grade), I learned all the major cuss words, how sex was done, learned about evolution, and was introduced to pornography and bullies. What a disaster!

And this was in the early 1980s. I can't imagine how bad it is today.
 
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SOTK said:
Me too..I've known intelligent homeschoolers and dumb ones. I've known intelligent kids and adults who went through public education and some dumb ones. I've also known trouble makers and criminals on both sides of the fence. One of the worst criminals I have ever seen come in the Juvenile Justice System in 10 years was homeschooled. Does that make all homeschoolers criminals? Certainly not! I wish some people here would start giving me a little consideration and respect. The assumptions and overgeneralizations are old.
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truthman said:
Catholic run? Church run? Or otherwise?
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Either.

I have a few friends/acquaintances who went to Catholic school. They were, in college, wilder than the friends I knew from my suburban public school experience.

No experience with non-Catholic church run schools - don't think they're very big around here. Neither's home-schooling, that I'm aware of.
 
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truthman said:
As you know, I answered Mr. 5020's question earlier about my own homeschooling experience. He asked if I was homeschooled, and I answered "Yes".

He, however, did not ask if I was homeschooled all 12 years.

My first 2 1/2 years were in public school. In those 2 1/2 years (from K, 1st and 1/2 of 2nd grade), I learned all the major cuss words, how sex was done, learned about evolution, and was introduced to pornography and bullies. What a disaster!

And this was in the early 1980s. I can't imagine how bad it is today.
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I've gone to public school(counting college) for 16 years now. I heard more curse words in church(or from people who went to our church), learned almost nothing about sex barring a single health class that went far more into describing the changes brought about by puberty than anything else, learned almost nothing about evolution(it wasn't really taught in biology class, not even at the college level), was introduced to pornograph by a home-schooler, and met as many or more bullies at church as at school. This was in the 90's
 
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truthman said:
As you know, I answered Mr. 5020's question earlier about my own homeschooling experience. He asked if I was homeschooled, and I answered "Yes".

He, however, did not ask if I was homeschooled all 12 years.

My first 2 1/2 years were in public school. In those 2 1/2 years (from K, 1st and 1/2 of 2nd grade), I learned all the major cuss words, how sex was done, learned about evolution, and was introduced to pornography and bullies. What a disaster!

And this was in the early 1980s. I can't imagine how bad it is today.
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Truthman,

I respect your experience. I truly do. You made a personal and intelligent decision based on your experience as a parent. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it was the right thing to do, and I applaud you. The key word or words here is your experience and your decision. I'm repeating myself here, but in the particular state I am living in, in the particular city I'm living in, and in the particular school district I am living in is different than your experience. This is what I mean by gross overgeneralizations and assumptions. You can't do that. It would be like me (say I am a non-believer) going to my first church and witnessing legalism and dysfunction and then accusing all Christians and all churches of being legalistic and dysfunctional.

The fact of the matter is that I am very happy with my kid's education thus far. I like the teachers and curriculum. I am also very involved. Health, evolution, and all that other crap that most of you state gets taught hasn't come up at all and my daughter will be going into the 6th grade next year. I also get somewhat of a say in what they learn. I am also very pleased with my school district's Excel program. Both of my kids are in "Honor" classes. Next year, they will be going to "school" in an entirely different building from the rest of the school. This is all positive stuff, and I support it. My kids have not experienced what you say you experienced socially at school. My kids are getting excellent grades and their behavior is superb. Not only that, they have made several friends which have gone with us to Church. So far, school has been a positive experience for them all the way around.
 
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Zimfan said:
I've gone to public school(counting college) for 16 years now. I heard more curse words in church(or from people who went to our church), learned almost nothing about sex barring a single health class that went far more into describing the changes brought about by puberty than anything else, learned almost nothing about evolution(it wasn't really taught in biology class, not even at the college level), was introduced to pornograph by a home-schooler, and met as many or more bullies at church as at school. This was in the 90's
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Yeah, but that happened outside your home. In the homeschool, little to nothing happens without parental involvement. I never said homeschoolers were perfect.
 
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SOTK said:
Truthman,

I respect your experience. I truly do. You made a personal and intelligent decision based on your experience as a parent. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it was the right thing to do, and I applaud you. The key word or words here is your experience and your decision. I'm repeating myself here, but in the particular state I am living in, in the particular city I'm living in, and in the particular school district I am living in is different than your experience. This is what I mean by gross overgeneralizations and assumptions. You can't do that. It would be like me (say I am a non-believer) going to my first church and witnessing legalism and dysfunction and then accusing all Christians and all churches of being legalistic and dysfunctional.

The fact of the matter is that I am very happy with my kid's education thus far. I like the teachers and curriculum. I am also very involved. Health, evolution, and all that other crap that most of you state gets taught hasn't come up at all and my daughter will be going into the 6th grade next year. I also get somewhat of a say in what they learn. I am also very pleased with my school district's Excel program. Both of my kids are in "Honor" classes. Next year, they will be going to "school" in an entirely different building from the rest of the school. This is all positive stuff, and I support it. My kids have not experienced what you say you experienced socially at school. My kids are getting excellent grades and their behavior is superb. Not only that, they have made several friends which have gone with us to Church. So far, school has been a positive experience for them all the way around.
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SOTK. I think we're pretty close doctrinally. We don't believe people should go to any old church. We challenge people to go to churches that teach the truth about grace and God's character and attributes. So, why would we say that about church but not about the schools they go to?

Secondly, all that stuff I mentioned about my public school experience? I never once told my parents, even to this day (I'm 31) that any of it happened. They didn't have a clue. I'm just concerned about what people's kids have seen and learned but haven't mentioned to mom and dad.
 
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Mr. 5020 said:
I don't know. I've never heard of any successful product put out by a bunch of people who were home-schooled.
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The kind of individuals truthman listed are the "product."
 
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truthman said:
As you know, I answered Mr. 5020's question earlier about my own homeschooling experience. He asked if I was homeschooled, and I answered "Yes".

He, however, did not ask if I was homeschooled all 12 years.

My first 2 1/2 years were in public school. In those 2 1/2 years (from K, 1st and 1/2 of 2nd grade), I learned all the major cuss words, how sex was done, learned about evolution, and was introduced to pornography and bullies. What a disaster!

And this was in the early 1980s. I can't imagine how bad it is today.
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I didn't learn about evolution until my pastor told me not to believe it :chuckle:
 
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truthman said:
My first 2 1/2 years were in public school. In those 2 1/2 years (from K, 1st and 1/2 of 2nd grade), I learned all the major cuss words, how sex was done, learned about evolution, and was introduced to pornography and bullies. What a disaster!

And this was in the early 1980s. I can't imagine how bad it is today.
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So this is the reason to take a child out of the world and shelter it from the reality of what it is like to live here? The world is not Heaven, never will be, yet your children have an opportunity to teach others that Heaven can be theirs one day by being an example and teaching their peers another way..the right way.
A child can learn all the cuss words there are merely travelling on a bus or train or walking through the Mall or hearing neighbours yell them out.
Our children heard cuss words coming from within their own home when we were not a Christian family - not on a regular basis but now and then. They also heard it at their Public School ( one completed their final year a year ago and one 2 years off that), at the local shopping centre, on the transport system and coming from the world that we live in.
However, we brought them up, even as non-Christians, to know that it was not acceptable behaviour to cuss, anywhere or at any time and they, thankfully held to that.
Now we are Christian, they do not hear it within our home anymore but do still hear it within the world.The same with sex, pornography, bullying etc etc. Now, my daughter within the Public school system is able to impart to those she mingles with who cuss ( we use the term 'swear' here in Oz) or see being sexually active at 16 as being a necessary step to acceptance from peers or liken it to 'love', the Truth as denoted in the Bible. She is acting as salt and light for those who she mingles with and it is working, for several of the aforementioned students now attend the lunchtime Christian group and come to the Youth Church we hold on Sunday nights....and there will be more. She is in the world but not of the world, which Jesus calls us to be.
If I had taken her out of the Public system ( which has also allowed her to be educationally extended so that she is completing 2 final year subjects a year ahead of time and excelling in all areas studied), to become home schooled, then she would not have had the opportunity to show others and tell others what the Lord wants them to hear and for them to be turned away from the wrong gate they were heading to.
How does one better change a system than from within the system itself?
We taught our kids what was right, even when we ourselves were doing wrong. Now, as Christians, they teach others they come in contact with the right way. That is what the Lord wants us to do.
All of the above will no doubt draw flack from many here but I only state it as I have seen it and believe to be true for us. If you choose to Home school , it is entirely up to you as a parent. :)
 
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You know what? I don't think that 'sheltering' our children is such a bad thing really. You hold these children near and dear, care for them as infants, train them manners, with love and patience, teach them tools of life...and then at a very tender age we're expected to usher them out of our houses, thrust into the world out there. Not the 'real world', but the world manufactured by the teachers, principals, aides, bus drivers, school nurses etc...etc...

When I was 4 I went to all-day kindergarten at a private school for gifted children. I had to wake up at 6 a.m., get dressed, eat in a hurry, if there was time to eat at all, catch a bus, (also a side note here, I rode the bus by myself for a good ten minutes everyday, with one male driver). We had lessons throughout the day, 45 minutes for lunch, two bathroom breaks and 30 minutes playtime. I remember feeling that we were discouraged from asking to go to the bathroom, so that breaks would be limited, and I remember feeling that I missed my mother and new baby brother very much.

I have mentioned in other threads that I loved high school, and I had a blast there. But, I was rushed, badgered, my feelings were hurt, things my parents taught me were not only questioned by teachers, they were often ridiculed. I was stalked by a young man in the 10th grade after turning him down when he asked me to a dance. He followed me between classes and sometimes even rode my bus home from school.

I really don't think the importance of homeschooling and staying at home with your children lies in sheltering them from swearing, or sex, or crazy clothes. The importance lies in the great weight of safety and security we are indebted to create for our children. At the risk of sounding cliche, our children aregreat gifts to be cared for and molded in His image. Why would we take the chance that someone would hurt them, break them down, kill them, rape them, or even simply, make them sad?
 
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julie21 said:
So this is the reason to take a child out of the world and shelter it from the reality of what it is like to live here? The world is not Heaven, never will be, yet your children have an opportunity to teach others that Heaven can be theirs one day by being an example and teaching their peers another way..the right way.
A child can learn all the cuss words there are merely travelling on a bus or train or walking through the Mall or hearing neighbours yell them out.
Our children heard cuss words coming from within their own home when we were not a Christian family - not on a regular basis but now and then. They also heard it at their Public School ( one completed their final year a year ago and one 2 years off that), at the local shopping centre, on the transport system and coming from the world that we live in.
However, we brought them up, even as non-Christians, to know that it was not acceptable behaviour to cuss, anywhere or at any time and they, thankfully held to that.
Now we are Christian, they do not hear it within our home anymore but do still hear it within the world.The same with sex, pornography, bullying etc etc. Now, my daughter within the Public school system is able to impart to those she mingles with who cuss ( we use the term 'swear' here in Oz) or see being sexually active at 16 as being a necessary step to acceptance from peers or liken it to 'love', the Truth as denoted in the Bible. She is acting as salt and light for those who she mingles with and it is working, for several of the aforementioned students now attend the lunchtime Christian group and come to the Youth Church we hold on Sunday nights....and there will be more. She is in the world but not of the world, which Jesus calls us to be.
If I had taken her out of the Public system ( which has also allowed her to be educationally extended so that she is completing 2 final year subjects a year ahead of time and excelling in all areas studied), to become home schooled, then she would not have had the opportunity to show others and tell others what the Lord wants them to hear and for them to be turned away from the wrong gate they were heading to.
How does one better change a system than from within the system itself?
We taught our kids what was right, even when we ourselves were doing wrong. Now, as Christians, they teach others they come in contact with the right way. That is what the Lord wants us to do.
All of the above will no doubt draw flack from many here but I only state it as I have seen it and believe to be true for us. If you choose to Home school , it is entirely up to you as a parent. :)
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Would you let your child participate in 'missionary dating'? That's where a believer dates a non-believer in hopes that they'll 'get saved'.

If you wouldn't do that, then why would you let them do missionary schooling?????

erinmarie, THANK YOU!
 
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