Public shaming of drug addicts - Do you think its a deterant to drug use?

[Angel4Truth]

Wow, are you some sort of Christian jihadist..?

Did you forget you already quoted me and responded? Again, are you high right now?

 

[commonsense]

How is asking if you are high and ad hominem? Its directly on topic.

Here - ill go first -

Am I high? No. Is it likely that i can injure myself or others because of drug use? No.

Now you.

I have much respect for you A4T, however your assertion that you aren't high presently....well I don't have anything other than your profession. I certainly hope you're being more honest than Trump might be.

 

[patrick jane]

I certainly hope you're being more honest than Trump Hillary might be.

Fixed that for ya

 

[Angel4Truth]

I have much respect for you A4T, however your assertion that you aren't high presently....well I don't have anything other than your profession. I certainly hope you're being more honest than Trump might be.

Well since i don't get high and im not currently under a doctors care for injury, illness or surgery, and i disagree with legalizing poison, it would be a given that i am not high right now. As far as Trump goes, not sure what he has to do with the price of rice in China in this thread and im not a trump supporter if thats your guess also.

 

[Angel4Truth]

however your assertion that you aren't high presently....well I don't have anything other than your profession

Exactly, you only have my word for it, so how would you be able to track it, just as i would only have your word on it, if you had answered the question, do you get the point of the question now in light of the discussion?

 

[jgarden]

Addict
- a person who is addicted to an activity, habit, or substance: a drug addict
- to cause to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on an addictive substance, as alcohol or a narcotic.
‎- to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively <addicted to gambling>

Public shaming of drug addicts - Do you think its a deterant to drug use?

Given that addicts are by definition physiologically and/or psychologically dependent, their condition should be considered a medical problem, as opposed to a criminal one!

Would we shame those dying with lung cancer due to heavy smoking or cirrhosis of the liver due to alcoholism both of which are caused by legal but harmful drugs?

 

[radind]

Would it be reasonable to legalize and tax murder so hit men couldn't profit from it?

No

 

[radind]

you missed his point, and his point is true:

Marijuana Use in America Has Doubled in the Past Decade, Study Says

When you legalize drugs, its use skyrockets, which is turn causes a blight on society.

It would be useful to look at the drug situation in Portugal. Our current approach does not work and is counterproductive.

 

[radind]

It is worth looking at real world experience.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...anyone-dies-from-a-drug-overdose-in-portugal/
"Portugal decriminalized the use of all drugs in 2001. Weed, cocaine, heroin, you name it -- Portugal decided to treat possession and use of small quantities of these drugs as a public health issue, not a criminal one. The drugs were still illegal, of course. But now getting caught with them meant a small fine and maybe a referral to a treatment program — not jail time and a criminal record.”…

… "in Portugal, the numbers paint a different story. The prevalence of past-year and past-month drug use among young adults has fallen since 2001, according to statistics compiled by the Transform Drug Policy Foundation, which advocates on behalf of ending the war on drugs. Overall adult use is down slightly too. And new HIV cases among drug users are way down.
Now, numbers just released from the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction paint an even more vivid picture of life under decriminalization: drug overdose deaths in Portugal are the second-lowest in the European Union.”…

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It would be useful to look at the drug situation in Portugal. Our current approach does not work and is counterproductive.

Allowing people (through unrighteous laws) to destroy their and others lives never has worked, no matter what socialist utopia is doing it.

 

[ok doser]

drug sellers and buyers should be executed - swiftly, publicly and painfully

Which would wipe out around 90% of your fellow Libertarians.

never go full retard, acw :nono:

 

[ok doser]

It would be useful to look at the drug situation in Portugal. Our current approach does not work and is counterproductive.

i prefer singapore - zero tolerance and swift and severe punishment

Drug Use
Death Rate Per 100,000

Singapore 0.18
Portugal 0.60
United States 6.96

 

[radind]

i prefer singapore - zero tolerance and swift and severe punishment

Drug Use
Death Rate Per 100,000

Singapore 0.18
Portugal 0.60
United States 6.96

Everyone gets to choose the Govt they live under. I prefer the USA, but think that our drug policies do not work.

 

[kmoney]

Do you agree with it? What of doctors who know the risks of certain medications but dont really follow their patients enough to know how bad its gotten for them?

I appreciate the spirit of it but right now I don't think I could support it. I think to make that label fit there would need to be a certain level of knowledge by the dealer about the buyer and I don't know how one would determine that. And I'm wary about lessening the personal responsibility of the person buying/doing the drugs. It's not a perfect parallel but I'm reminded of the people who want to hold gun companies responsible for what happens with the guns they sell. And yes, you could slope from recreational drugs to medicinal drugs which would have problems as well.

 

[kmoney]

Is this just your uninformed opinion or do you have facts to back up that acts to deter criminal activity doesn't have an effect on immoral behavior?

I don't have any stats. But to clarify, I didn't say it has no effect.

Hopefully the people who know these drug addicts will see the picture and intervene in their very harmful lifestyle.

If the drug addicts still have an ounce of decency left in them (which isn't likely if they're heroin addicts), they too might realize that they're living a dead-end lifestyle.

Sure. If they change their ways then that's great.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Heres another couple passed out, with a 2 year old in the car. They also would have died if not given an antidote medication called "narcon" that ends the opiate od in many cases.

Couple found passed out in vehicle from overdose with toddler trapped inside

MILWAUKEE, WI (WCMH) — The woman found the toddler trapped inside the vehicle where two people were passed out from a possible overdose.

Video from March shows the couple slumped inside the car, and the driver’s 2-year-old son inside the car.

“We didn’t touch them because we didn’t know if there were needles in the car, and we didn’t want to, we just grabbed the baby out. He was in the back seat. He was trying to get out. He was walking around in the car, and the car was running,” the woman who videoed the scene told WISN.

More video showed firefighters on scene administering Narcan on the man, Matthew Huber, 41, and woman, Victoria Warzyniakowski, 27, saving their lives.

Police said they found more than 200 pills, nearly all of them opioids, in a bottle in Huber’s pocket.

The woman who found the couple took the child inside and took care of him until child protective services arrived. “I thank God that it happened here, because what if they were driving, or you know, there could’ve been an accident. The little boy could’ve, anything could’ve happened, so I thank God that it happened here in front of our house. It’s a horrible thing, but I really thank God that it happened here,” she told WISN.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Do you believe that serious addicts should keep being saved by emergency narcan (noxalone) ( a substance that reverses opiod ods and effects) and that taxpayers should pay for it?

Rising Overdose Deaths

Deaths from overdoses of narcotic prescription painkillers more than tripled in the U.S. from 2000 to 2014. These drugs now kill more people than heroin and cocaine combined.

Heroin use is also growing in the U.S. The 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health reported that 669,000 Americans use the illegal substance -- nearly twice as many as in 2007. Deaths from heroin overdoses quadrupled between 2002 and 2013.

The rise in heroin use is believed to be linked to prescription drug abuse. Many people who abuse painkillers switch to heroin for two reasons: It is cheaper and often easier to get.

Because of naloxone’s effectiveness, the White House drug policy office now urges first responders, such as police and firefighters, to carry it.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Akron police respond rash of overdoses

AKRON, OH (WEWS/WCMH) — Akron police believe that Fentanyl-laced heroin is responsible for a rash of overdoses over the weekend.

The first reported overdoses on Friday happened around 5pm. Akron Fire Department says that three adults were treated for overdoses, and a toddler was reported wandering around the neighborhood during that time. A short time later, a fourth adult was treated for overdosing.

Later that evening, police confirmed that a serious car accident near Chapel Hill Mall was caused by an overdosed driver. The driver hit a stop sign, drove across the parking lot and hit a guardrail, causing the vehicle to catch fire. The driver passed out inside the truck. First responders pulled the man from the cab, and he is expected to recover from his injuries.

Police say that two more people were found overdosed, one on a sidewalk on South Canton Road and another in the parking lot of a Dairy Queen. Police say officers and fire departments responded to 24 separate overdose calls this weekend alone. Police Captain Brian Simcox said that the Akron area has had 112 fatal overdoses in 2016.

 

[Angel4Truth]

NJ Father Arrested After Son Brings 30 Packs of Heroin to Kindergarten in Lunchbox

TRENTON, N.J. — A New Jersey man and his girlfriend are behind bars after the man’s five-year-old son was found carrying 30 packs of heroin in his school lunchbox.

Maurice Leonard, 28, and his girlfriend Turia Justice, 27, were taken into custody on Wednesday at their Trenton home and charged with endangering the welfare of a child.

According to NJ.com, the boy’s teacher at International Academy of Trenton Charter School noticed him playing with what she initially thought was a candy wrapper. She asked the boy to put it away, and when he continued fidgeting with the item, she realized that it was a packet of heroin.

The teacher then checked the child’s backpack and lunchbox, where she found another 29 packets.

The boy was taken to Capital Health Medical Center where he underwent a drug test, but results were negative for opioids.

Police do not have information on how the child obtained the drugs, but his father was arrested last week over the matter. The case was turned over to the Trenton Police Department’s Criminal Investigation Bureau.

As previously reported, in an effort to be a “voice for the children” of the nation, officials in East Liverpool, Ohio released a photograph earlier this month of a woman and her male friend passed out from a heroin overdose while a young boy sat in the back seat of the car.

The child turned out to be the grandson of the woman, who has had guardianship of him since July as her son and his girlfriend had lost custody of two of their three children due to the girlfriend’s struggles with cocaine and marijuana.

He is now living with his great aunt—his grandmother’s sister—and the grandmother was sentenced to six months behind bars.

“We are well aware that some may be offended by these images and for that we are truly sorry, but it is time that the non-drug using public sees what we are now dealing with on a daily basis,” the city wrote in sharing the now viral photo.

“We feel it necessary to show the other side of this horrible drug,” it explained. “We feel we need to be a voice for the children caught up in this horrible mess. This child can’t speak for himself but we are hopeful his story can convince another user to think twice about injecting this poison while having a child in their custody.”

“The poison known as heroin has taken a strong grip on many communities— not just ours. The difference is we are willing to fight this problem until it’s gone, and if that means we offend a few people along the way we are prepared to deal with that,” the city said.

 

[shagster01]

you missed his point, and his point is true:

Marijuana Use in America Has Doubled in the Past Decade, Study Says

When you legalize drugs, its use skyrockets, which is turn causes a blight on society.

Is that really true? Tobacco is a legal drug, yet use is falling. Heroin is illegal, yet use is rising.