Public Schools are Sin!

[keypurr]

Real Christians CAN sin. They do it all the time. Is that OK? No. But human nature such as it is....
Yes, I hope they don't send their chidren to the local public school to be destroyed either.

Friend, schools are the least of your worries. Tell me do you watch TV, go to the movies, listen to the music of today? All that garbage is being pumped into our lives everyday. And that is worse than the schools. This country is no longer "Under God" no matter what some people are telling you. The only way to combat it isto teach your children about God and hope they can understand what is going on in this world. We are at war with the spirit world that have powers that we can't even imagine. Thank God for Jesus Christ.

 

[CRASH]

While I wouldn't call the enrollment of a child in public school necessarily advisable (especially depending on what area the school's in--some public schools are worse than others), I wouldn't go so far as to call it sin. Sure, God wants what is best for us and our children, and more often than not, home schooling is just that. But, what if: the family's in the lower-middle class; Dad's away at work most of the day. Mom would teach but she just doesn't have confidence in her ability to do so. On top of this, she's recently been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and it's often a fight for her just to stay sane. Complicating this even further, the oldest child has a speech impediment that requires therapy, and dad's wages are just enough to provide the essentials, make payments to student loans, and maybe enjoy the very occasional luxury.

The budget cuts here and there, even were they to be made, would not even come close to paying for the oldest's speech lessons. But just across the street, the public school is offering free speech lessons once or twice a week to needful students. Is it a sin to want to see your child have a chance at normalcy under these circumstances?

LOL! LOL! That's rich.:rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Ok I've wiped the tears from my eyes. That is quite the scenario you came up with there.

Umm....I hope this isn't like a real life example. Enjoying occassional luxuries while the kids are destroyed morally? I just don't know...I think I would have to stick to my guns on this.
Let me ask you a question. If you are a Christian parents, you know the schools teach evil, god-less things ( like evolution, pro-abortion, pro-homo, hyper-enviro, socialism, and flat ourt anti-Christianism) and you send them there anyway beause you really don't want to spend too much time with your kids and you don't want to upset your comfortable lifestyle would it then be a sin????

 

[koban]

Friend, schools are the least of your worries. Tell me do you watch TV, go to the movies, listen to the music of today? All that garbage is being pumped into our lives everyday. And that is worse than the schools. This country is no longer "Under God" no matter what some people are telling you. The only way to combat it isto teach your children about God and hope they can understand what is going on in this world. We are at war with the spirit world that have powers that we can't even imagine. Thank God for Jesus Christ.

Amen, bro!

 

[CRASH]

You better take it up with SOTK, Lighthouse, Aimiel, Elohiym and others here who can explain it to you better than I can, but you're wrong.
Dead wrong.

Great bring it on. If I am wrong I am willing to admit it.

 

[koban]

LOL! LOL! That's rich.:rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Ok I've wiped the tears from my eyes. That is quite the scenario you came up with there.

Umm....I hope this isn't like a real life example. Enjoying occassional luxuries while the kids are destroyed morally? I just don't know...I think I would have to stick to my guns on this.
Let me ask you a question. If you are a Christian parents, you know the schools teach evil, god-less things ( like evolution, pro-abortion, pro-homo, hyper-enviro, socialism, and flat ourt anti-Christianism) and you send them there anyway beause you really don't want to spend too much time with your kids and you don't want to upset your comfortable lifestyle would it then be a sin????

If you are saved, you aren't under the Law any more.

 

[CRASH]

If you are saved, you aren't under the Law any more.

I am well aware of that and I am really excited that you know that, but does that mean we have the liberty to sin? God Forbid!

 

[CRASH]

Friend, schools are the least of your worries. Tell me do you watch TV, go to the movies, listen to the music of today? All that garbage is being pumped into our lives everyday. And that is worse than the schools. This country is no longer "Under God" no matter what some people are telling you. The only way to combat it isto teach your children about God and hope they can understand what is going on in this world. We are at war with the spirit world that have powers that we can't even imagine. Thank God for Jesus Christ.

Public schools are a huge worry. We are talking about the GNP!
I am the gatekeeper of my home.
I listen to Ted Nugent.
We watch movies like EL CID all the time. Thats right EL CID!
We are well aware of what the world is like - we go to college campuses and debate the debacherous students.
The flesh should be your biggest worry, not the spirit world.
Thank God for Jesus Christ.

 

[Brother Vinny]

LOL! LOL! That's rich.:rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Ok I've wiped the tears from my eyes. That is quite the scenario you came up with there.

It's my scenario. I'm sure you think it's a hoot, but as Mark Twain once noted, "Everything is funny unless it's happening to you."

mm....I hope this isn't like a real life example. Enjoying occassional luxuries while the kids are destroyed morally?

Gee, CRASH, after one-and-a-half years in public school, my first grader's morals don't seem any the worse for wear. She loves church, is crazy about going to Awana, and is by-and-large a pleasure to be around.

And, again, the ten-to-twenty dollar per paycheck "entertainment budget" for the family wouldn't make a dent in the cost to have a speech therapist hired for my daughter.

Let me ask you a question. If you are a Christian parents, you know the schools teach evil, god-less things ( like evolution, pro-abortion, pro-homo, hyper-enviro, socialism, and flat ourt anti-Christianism) and you send them there anyway beause you really don't want to spend too much time with your kids and you don't want to upset your comfortable lifestyle would it then be a sin????

Whatever is not done out of faith, is sin. Your faith in God won't allow you to send your children to a public school, that's quite all right. My faith in God isn't prohibiting me from doing what's best for my daughter under the circumstances we're in.

 

[keypurr]

I am well aware of that and I am really excited that you know that, but does that mean we have the liberty to sin? God Forbid!

Originaly posted by my friend Elohiym
The Facts
(You need to know)

Everyone reading this thread has sinned.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;Romans 3:23

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.1 John 1:10

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:12

Anyone that continues to sin is spiritually dead, and will perish if they continue to sin.
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. John 8:34

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

There are no exceptions for people that call themselves Christians while continuing to sin.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.1 Corinthians 6:9-11

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Ezekiel 18:24

God wants you to stop sinning.
...go, and sin no more. John 8:11

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1 Peter 4:1

Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. 1 Corinthians 15:34

He taught me that TRUE Christians do not sin. If you are the temple of the HolySpirit, there will be no room for sin. One cannot serve two masters. Keep in mind that sin is transgression of the law and the law is spiritual. Keep the law in your heart and you will do his will.
God Bless

 

[CRASH]

It's my scenario. I'm sure you think it's a hoot, but as Mark Twain once noted, "Everything is funny unless it's happening to you."

Gee, CRASH, after one-and-a-half years in public school, my first grader's morals don't seem any the worse for wear. She loves church, is crazy about going to Awana, and is by-and-large a pleasure to be around.

And, again, the ten-to-twenty dollar per paycheck "entertainment budget" for the family wouldn't make a dent in the cost to have a speech therapist hired fot my daughter.

Whatever is not done out of faith, is sin. Your faith in God won't allow you to send your children to a public school, that's quite all right. My faith in God isn't prohibiting me from doing what's best for my daughter under the circumstances we're in.

Fair enough Vinny, Fair enough, I should have known by all the details that this was a real lfe scenario:rain: and I take back all of my laughing. I will seriously consider your situation and get back to you on it. I would however like a yes or no or I don't know answer to my question or was your "whatever is of Faith" your answer to that?

 

[CRASH]

Originaly posted by my friend Elohiym
The Facts
(You need to know)

Everyone reading this thread has sinned.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;Romans 3:23

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.1 John 1:10

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:12

Anyone that continues to sin is spiritually dead, and will perish if they continue to sin.
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. John 8:34

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

There are no exceptions for people that call themselves Christians while continuing to sin.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.1 Corinthians 6:9-11

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Ezekiel 18:24

God wants you to stop sinning.
...go, and sin no more. John 8:11

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1 Peter 4:1

Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. 1 Corinthians 15:34

He taught me that TRUE Christians do not sin. If you are the temple of the HolySpirit, there will be no room for sin. One cannot serve two masters. Keep in mind that sin is transgression of the law and the law is spiritual. Keep the law in your heart and you will do his will.
God Bless

When you lay it out like that I can see why you believe that. It is the same thing the cult I was in used to believe. You should really read The Plot and get back to me on this.

 

[Brother Vinny]

I would however like a yes or no or I don't know answer to my question or was your "whatever is of Faith" your answer to that?

Couched in precisely the terms you used, I would say, "Yes." You made the desicion an others vs. self proposition in which self was being exalted at the expense of others, which is definitely a no-no.

As financial freedom is inherently tied to political freedom, some of us aren't as free as others.

Maybe I could home school at night after I get home from work. I'll seriously consider the idea. I really wish the bipolar disorder didn't effect Tal the way it does.

Anyway, I'm off to bed.

 

[CRASH]

Couched in precisely the terms you used, I would say, "Yes." You made the desicion an others vs. self proposition in which self was being exalted at the expense of others, which is definitely a no-no.
As financial freedom is inherently tied to political freedom, some of us aren't as free as others.
Maybe I could home school at night after I get home from work. I'll seriously consider the idea. I really wish the bipolar disorder didn't effect Tal the way it does.
Anyway, I'm off to bed.

Vinny, you are an honorable man. :first: I'll be praying for you.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Brother Vinny again.

 

[SOTK]

That's all fine and dandy that you know a lot of people who have gone through public schools, but I know a lot who have also, and never gave up their faith. All my cousins have gone to public schools, except one homeschooled. We're all still in the faith, except four, who were never raised to be christians in the first place, and of those four, one is showing serious interest in christ, and the other is already completely immersed in the faith. Tell me how the public schools have ruined our faith?

And if you want to play your little "i have personal experience" game then I have personal experience that shows 66% of homeschoolers lose their faith, since I know three people personally who have been homeschooled, and two of them got their girlfriends pregnant and have left the church. So from my point of view, public schools have added one (possibly two) to the fold, and homeschools have subtracted two. :think:

Now, I say all this, not because I think public schools are superior (because I don't believe that, home schooling is probably superior in many ways), but just to show that because you have personal experience with something doesn't mean anything at all, and I personally don't feel that public schools are the den of the devil like you think they are. You may have seen heroin or whatever it was when you were in 5th grade, but I didn't even see a drug until I was a senior in high school. And I live in california (the den of iniquity).

CRASH,

Did you ever respond to the above post of beefalobilly? His point(s) are similar to some of mine which I have brought up in the past here.

I support Homeschooling. I know of several Christian families who homeschool, and I support their choice, however, I have chosen to not homeschool my children. With my firsthand observations of these particular families I have noticed problems. Two of the families have freely admitted the difficulties and both of these families are placing their kids in the Public School System next year. Not all Public Schools are plagued with the problems which you assert they all have. Not all homeschooled familes have the difficulties which I have observed. You are overgeneralizing the problems found with some Public Schools. I would be guilty of the same thing if I made the statement that all homeschoolers are plagued with difficulties.

Calling it a "sin" to send kids to the Public School system is just ridiculous and strikes me as a legalistic and irrational stance. Do you think drinking alcohol is a sin? Or listening to Lep Zepplin a sin? Come on, CRASH! Think about it.

 

[koban]

I tried to tell him.

Originally Posted by CRASH

Real Christians CAN sin. They do it all the time. Is that OK? No. But human nature such as it is....
Yes, I hope they don't send their chidren to the local public school to be destroyed either.

You better take it up with SOTK, Lighthouse, Aimiel, Elohiym and others here who can explain it to you better than I can, but you're wrong.

Dead wrong.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=940759&postcount=160

 

[SOTK]

I tried to tell him.


http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=940759&postcount=160

Yeah, I saw that but didn't want to hijack his thread. If he wants to discuss it, then I will.

 

[CRASH]

CRASH,

Did you ever respond to the above post of beefalobilly? His point(s) are similar to some of mine which I have brought up in the past here.

I support Homeschooling. I know of several Christian families who homeschool, and I support their choice, however, I have chosen to not homeschool my children. With my firsthand observations of these particular families I have noticed problems. Two of the families have freely admitted the difficulties and both of these families are placing their kids in the Public School System next year. Not all Public Schools are plagued with the problems which you assert they all have. Not all homeschooled familes have the difficulties which I have observed. You are overgeneralizing the problems found with some Public Schools. I would be guilty of the same thing if I made the statement that all homeschoolers are plagued with difficulties.

Calling it a "sin" to send kids to the Public School system is just ridiculous and strikes me as a legalistic and irrational stance. Do you think drinking alcohol is a sin? Or listening to Lep Zepplin a sin? Come on, CRASH! Think about it.

The reason it seems ridiculous to you is because your kids are in public school and you have made yourself comfortable with that arrangement. To say it was sin would require a large shift in your thinking and actions. Your "choice" is based on the stealing of money where the people often have no choice but to pay. The Bible never authorizes the government to take money from people at gunpoint, so that the government can raise everyone’s children in the nation in a God-less, anti-Christian (education - HA) system.



Of course my evidence is antidotal. But so is yours and everyone else’s. So we can only deal with related facts and peoples perceptions. The horror stories are pouring in from all fronts. Just because you homeschool and go to church it doesn't mean your kid will not grow up to be a murderer. Our countries laws are broker and the people our broken.



If you think my stance is wrong, it makes me think you did not read this whole thread.

See especially this page and this. Take special note of #44 and #48.

What are your answers to the questions?



Please note also that I have said ignorance might be a defense and that I am sympathetic to Brother Vinny's dilemma.



Drinking is not a sin unless you get drunk. Led Zeppelin is not a sin unless you play it backwards, burn incense, smoke a bone and bow down to Buddha all at the same time.



You should listen to Brian Rorbaugh hosting Bob's last two shows and then get back to me on how great the government schools are. His kid was murdered in one.

 

[Gerald]

Yes, I hope they don't send their chidren to the local public school to be destroyed either.

You care whether Muslim children are destroyed?

 

[Gerald]

I am the gatekeeper of my home.
I listen to Ted Nugent.

And you let your kids listen to that crap?

We watch movies like EL CID all the time. Thats right EL CID!

Great cure for insomnia, that movie is.

 

[Granite]

"Led Zeppelin is not a sin unless you play it backwards, burn incense, smoke a bone and bow down to Buddha all at the same time."

And this is a sin because...?