Public Schools are Sin!

[ebenz47037]

I am not trying to be snotty, I pretty much agree with you about everything and I am sorry to hear about your husband. That must have been very difficult.



I don't think I am as young as you might think - I am 42. Drugs were readily available from numerous sources in the 70's in our town of about 10,000. Some kids were having sex in Jr. high after we went through "sex education." and smoking pot in 6th grade. Sin was rampant there and from what I could tell living in cities for the past 25 years it is getting worse in both places. I saw speed for the first time in the 5th grade when a kid brought it to school.

I don't know why. But, I thought you were in your twenties. :chuckle: It could be considered a compliment in someways and not in others. :chuckle: I'm 36 (37 in about three weeks).

The urban junior high and high schools I attended (3,000 and more students) tended to have rampant drug use and sex. That leaves out the violence that occured on a daily basis. While the rural schools I attended (under 3,000 students) did have their problems, the drug use and sex was nowhere near as common as in the cities. In fact, the rural high school I graduated from (We had a senior class of 52 students) had almost no drug use. I don't really know about the sex there because the kids didn't do anything in the hallways or under the bleachers. I think that it depends on how the majority of kids are raised and whether the adults in the school are Christians, themselves.

The only main thing we disagree on is whether it is a sin. Try to answer these questions from God's perspective.



1. As a Christian parent, is it sinful to let people who hate God teach things to your children day after day, week after week and year after year and will that effect their thinking toward God?



2. Is it sinful to send your children into a place where the "education" is expressly God-less?

The answer to both these questions is the same. No, it isn't sinful. Foolish, yes. People are allowed to make mistakes. God knows, I've made my share of them. And, I know that in order to grow, people (whether Christian or not) need to be allowed to make those mistakes and move on from there.

3. What would God have done to Mary and Joseph if they had sent little Jesus over to the Philistines to be "educated" 5 days a week for 12 years?

Well, you have to look at how children were raised back then, too. Public schools are fairly new to humanity. Back then, the mother would take care of the children until they were eight to ten years old. Then, the boys would go work with the father or be apprenticed out to other men, helping to contribute to the family, and the girls would work with the mother.

To be honest, I don't know what God would do to Mary and Joseph if they lived today and sent Jesus to public school, though.

4. If you know the government school is destroying the vast majority of people who pass through it and you did nothing to warn them, would that be a sin?

This is something that I am "iffy" on. I think it is unwise not to warn people. I think it is wrong not to warn people. But, do I think it is a sin? I honestly cannot say yes or no to that one.

5. As a Christian parent, in general, what will your relationship be like with your children when they are 16 - Homeschooled vs. Public School?

:chuckle: I already know this one. I am witnessing first-hand what it is like right now. My daughter will be 16 in January.

I know that I have, what I consider, typical teen problems with her. But, based on what I did as a teenager and what I've heard from parents who decide to send their children to public school, I know that my problems aren't even close to what they would be if I chose to put her in public school. And, I've said so many times.

6. Are you fulfilling your role as a Christian parent when you abdicate your authority to a false religion promoting, pro-abortion, pro-child sex, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist, pro-rabid environmentalist, anti-Christian, anti child discipline, government school?

Now, you know what I'd say to this. I believe that homeschooling is the best way to educate our children. But, not all parents believe the same thing because they've bought into the NEA claptrap.

7. If not, would you be sinning?

Read my response to question #4. That explains my position on this.

Thanks

You're quite welcome!

 

[CRASH]

Sorry, a few more questions!

Sorry, a few more questions!

Thanks for your answers.

I think we are very safe to assume that God would have struck Mary and Joseph down with a bolt of lightning or opened up the earth and sucked them down to hell if they had sent him to a pagan government school.





Didn't God put the responsibility to raise the children with families and specifically fathers?



According to God, Goverment was never authorized to "educate" or raise children. If we violate God's biblical mandate, is it not sin?



If you are a Christian and you teach your child a false religion, pro-abortion, pro-child sex, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist, pro-rabid environmentalist, anti-Christian, anti child discipline values would that be a sin?

 

[kmoney]

I agree. Except that public schools are still evil and if you are a Christian your child will likely turn from the faith if you send them off to be raised by the heathans.

Do you have any stats to post about that? Because I've actually never seen any stats that say how many kids "lose their religion" by going to public school, or even college. Right now it seems like it's an conclusion based on a couple personal experiences and the assumption that children are too easily swayed.

 

[ebenz47037]

Thanks for your answers.

I think we are very safe to assume that God would have struck Mary and Joseph down with a bolt of lightning or opened up the earth and sucked them down to hell if they had sent him to a pagan government school.

I see why you would say that. But, if it was the law that they send their children to public school (which a lot of people believe today), I don't know what God would do if Mary and Joseph followed the law.

Didn't God put the responsibility to raise the children with families and specifically fathers?

Yes.

According to God, Goverment was never authorized to "educate" or raise children. If we violate God's biblical mandate, is it not sin?

I'll have to get back to you on this. I don't think that it's a sin to put your children in public school. And, that's because, until my daughter was in the second grade, I thought it was against the law to not put them in public or private school. I had never heard of homeschooling until then. So, was I sinning when I put my daughter into public school for one month in the second grade? How about when I put her in for a semester right after my husband passed away?

If you are a Christian and you teach your child a false religion, pro-abortion, pro-child sex, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist, pro-rabid environmentalist, anti-Christian, anti child discipline values would that be a sin?

Personally, I think it is a sin to do so; especially when you're doing so actively. But, most Christians who send their kids to public school don't see what they're doing as a sin. In fact, a lot of Christians who send their kids to public school think that it's against the law to not send their kids to either public school or private school.

 

[kmoney]

Thanks for your answers.

I think we are very safe to assume that God would have struck Mary and Joseph down with a bolt of lightning or opened up the earth and sucked them down to hell if they had sent him to a pagan government school.

What are you using to back that assumption up?

Didn't God put the responsibility to raise the children with families and specifically fathers?

Verse? or verses? The one off the top of my head is Ephesians:
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

But do you take that as all of education?

According to God, Goverment was never authorized to "educate" or raise children. If we violate God's biblical mandate, is it not sin?

Who educates them? I assume you would say parents so, see the question I asked above....

If you are a Christian and you teach your child a false religion, pro-abortion, pro-child sex, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist, pro-rabid environmentalist, anti-Christian, anti child discipline values would that be a sin?

Do you honestly equate parents teaching it directly to kids with parents sending their kids to public school?

 

[CRASH]

Do you have any stats to post about that? Because I've actually never seen any stats that say how many kids "lose their religion" by going to public school, or even college. Right now it seems like it's an conclusion based on a couple personal experiences and the assumption that children are too easily swayed.

Stats? How would you track the stats? Come on, just look around you. I've met a bunch of people who have rejected God after time in school.

 

[kmoney]

Stats? How would you track the stats? Come on, just look around you. I've met a bunch of people who have rejected God after time in school.

I realize something like that would be hard to accurately keep track of. I just didn't know if there were any polls or something that someone had done.

and like I said before, the conclusion you're making is based off of "a bunch" of personal experiences so I don't know how valid a conclusion it is.

 

[CRASH]

Personally, I think it is a sin to do so; especially when you're doing so actively.

Personal views aside, it would most certainly be a sin to teach your children these evil things!
False religion,
Pro-abortion,
Pro-child sex,
Pro-homosexual,
Pro-socialist,
Pro-rabid environmentalist,
Pro-evolution,
Anti-Christian,
Anti-child discipline

Therefore it would follow that if you delegate your responsibility and authority to someone else to teach these same evil things that would also be a sin! And that is exactly what is going on across America in every public school.

The only question left is: Are these parents really ignorant and is ignorance an excuse for this particular sin?"

 

[CRASH]

How old are you? Do you go to Public school?

How old are you? Do you go to Public school?

I realize something like that would be hard to accurately keep track of. I just didn't know if there were any polls or something that someone had done.
and like I said before, the conclusion you're making is based off of "a bunch" of personal experiences so I don't know how valid a conclusion it is.

It is valid. I hope you never have to learn from personal experience and have your future 15 year old "Christian" daughter come home and tell you she has decided she is lesbian or that she is an evolutionist or that you never heard about the abortion she had at 14.

 

[kmoney]

It is valid. I hope you never have to learn from personal experience and have your future 15 year old "Christian" daughter come home and tell you she has decided she is lesbian or that she is an evolutionist or that you never heard about the abortion she had at 14.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying it might not be as prevalent as you think it is and someone's personal experiences generally aren't the valid basis for making such a generalization.

and to answer your questions I'm 22 and I go to a public college. What do you think of that? I already know Clete thinks my parents are horrible for it.

 

[CRASH]

What are you using to back that assumption up?


Verse? or verses? The one off the top of my head is Ephesians:
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

But do you take that as all of education?


Who educates them? I assume you would say parents so, see the question I asked above....


Do you honestly equate parents teaching it directly to kids with parents sending their kids to public school?

God's nature in the old test.
A verse that I think is in Joshua.
yes, a parent or someone they have delegated to - which should be someone righteous and safe.
Yes of course. I make that point well above.

 

[keypurr]

I agree. Except that public schools are still evil and if you are a Christian your child will likely turn from the faith if you send them off to be raised by the heathans.

Your sick.
both my daughters went to public schools. In New England we got the best educators. I can say that because both my daughters are teachers. One of them has been teaching in public schools for 25 years. she has many past students who call her just to keep in touch.
I can understand your dissatisfaction with some of the things they must teach, but if your children are well taught at home as to what is truth, what are you concerned with? Most religious schools teach their lies and traditions how will kids educated ther get a fair assement of truth? Most home schoolers are not qualified to teach. It is one thing to know and quite another to teach. Evil is not just in public schools, start with the churches.

 

[Brother Vinny]

Your sick.
both my daughters went to public schools. In New England we got the best educators. I can say that because both my daughters are teachers.

Did either of them teach you not to use a possessive pronoun where a contraction is warranted? :devil:

 

[beefalobilly]

Stats? How would you track the stats? Come on, just look around you. I've met a bunch of people who have rejected God after time in school.

That's all fine and dandy that you know a lot of people who have gone through public schools, but I know a lot who have also, and never gave up their faith. All my cousins have gone to public schools, except one homeschooled. We're all still in the faith, except four, who were never raised to be christians in the first place, and of those four, one is showing serious interest in christ, and the other is already completely immersed in the faith. Tell me how the public schools have ruined our faith?

And if you want to play your little "i have personal experience" game then I have personal experience that shows 66% of homeschoolers lose their faith, since I know three people personally who have been homeschooled, and two of them got their girlfriends pregnant and have left the church. So from my point of view, public schools have added one (possibly two) to the fold, and homeschools have subtracted two. :think:

Now, I say all this, not because I think public schools are superior (because I don't believe that, home schooling is probably superior in many ways), but just to show that because you have personal experience with something doesn't mean anything at all, and I personally don't feel that public schools are the den of the devil like you think they are. You may have seen heroin or whatever it was when you were in 5th grade, but I didn't even see a drug until I was a senior in high school. And I live in california (the den of iniquity).

 

[ebenz47037]

Personal views aside, it would most certainly be a sin to teach your children these evil things!
False religion,
Pro-abortion,
Pro-child sex,
Pro-homosexual,
Pro-socialist,
Pro-rabid environmentalist,
Pro-evolution,
Anti-Christian,
Anti-child discipline

Therefore it would follow that if you delegate your responsibility and authority to someone else to teach these same evil things that would also be a sin! And that is exactly what is going on across America in every public school.

It doesn't go in in every public school across America. :nono: My local public school (which I removed my daughter from after one semester for making her slow down on learning so her classmates wouldn't get jealous) doesn't teach any of that stuff. And, I know other Christian parents across America who say that their local public schools don't teach any of it.

The only question left is: Are these parents really ignorant and is ignorance an excuse for this particular sin?"

If they're ignorant, I am. I've sat in on different classes where you would expect to hear them teach about these things. And, they don't teach it here. They might in Cincinatti or Indianapolis. But, they don't in the small towns around me.

 

[SOTK]

That's all fine and dandy that you know a lot of people who have gone through public schools, but I know a lot who have also, and never gave up their faith. All my cousins have gone to public schools, except one homeschooled. We're all still in the faith, except four, who were never raised to be christians in the first place, and of those four, one is showing serious interest in christ, and the other is already completely immersed in the faith. Tell me how the public schools have ruined our faith?

And if you want to play your little "i have personal experience" game then I have personal experience that shows 66% of homeschoolers lose their faith, since I know three people personally who have been homeschooled, and two of them got their girlfriends pregnant and have left the church. So from my point of view, public schools have added one (possibly two) to the fold, and homeschools have subtracted two. :think:

Now, I say all this, not because I think public schools are superior (because I don't believe that, home schooling is probably superior in many ways), but just to show that because you have personal experience with something doesn't mean anything at all, and I personally don't feel that public schools are the den of the devil like you think they are. You may have seen heroin or whatever it was when you were in 5th grade, but I didn't even see a drug until I was a senior in high school. And I live in california (the den of iniquity).

:thumb:

 

[keypurr]

Did either of them teach you not to use a possessive pronoun where a contraction is warranted? :devil:

Will it save me???????

 

[Zimfan]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying it might not be as prevalent as you think it is and someone's personal experiences generally aren't the valid basis for making such a generalization.

and to answer your questions I'm 22 and I go to a public college. What do you think of that? I already know Clete thinks my parents are horrible for it.

:shocked: A public college?!? Say it ain't so, kmoney!

P.S. I go to one, too.

 

[kmoney]

:shocked: A public college?!? Say it ain't so, kmoney!

P.S. I go to one, too.

I know I know, It's true though.

:chuckle:

 

[Zimfan]

Next you'll be telling me you went to a public high school. :nono: