SaulToPaul 2
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The irony...
ECT Power: How Acts 1 answers the kingdom of Israel question
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The irony...
Interplanner
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Oh, we are supposed to take your word for anything, who does circus tricks with the grammar of Gal 2?
SaulToPaul 2
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When were Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles fulfilled by the LORD?
He fulfilled the first four literally.
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OOOOOOH, so that is "literally" but if we say Christ fulfills the promises to Israel in Acts 13, that is accused of being spiritual, and 'spiritual' is for some reason a 'dirty' word? Got it.
The letter of Hebrews is obviously the day of Atonement theme, so you have to drop your neat little first 4 ditty.
There should be one about the destruction of the land, because that is really the next event after Pentecost... etc.
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Because he's a superseding cancellationist.
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No, you're smarter than the apostles--who forgot to mention them!
You don't know which way is up here, guys. It had its purpose Acts 13:34, but that purpose no longer exists. That's why no teaching by the apostles about where history is going or about the end of time has Israel back in its land as an essential part, because that would be a return to Judaism as such. That's what is supposed to come through Heb 10:1-18 but you don't see it. You've got too much stuff in your head already.
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Show me any place at all in the apostles teaching where everything stops because some land promises from way back have yet to happen. any quotations where this is SPECIFICALLY addressed. any place in Acts 26s declarations or the last exchange in 28. But 26 is the more valuable of the two because it the ACTUAL topic of where this whole Christian thing was going in relation to Judaism and its hope for such things to happen.
You would think that every other post you guys put up would be full of reference to such things as Acts 13 or 26 or Rom 11 or 2 Pet 3, but it is extremely rare, because it is perfectly obvious that they don't share your doctrines which are glommed onto the apostles unnaturally.
You would think that every other post you guys put up would be full of reference to such things as Acts 13 or 26 or Rom 11 or 2 Pet 3, but it is extremely rare, because it is perfectly obvious that they don't share your doctrines which are glommed onto the apostles unnaturally.
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Once AGAIN, Mr. Superseding Cancellationist, EVERY SINGLE promise does NOT need to be REPEATED in EVERY SINGLE time that Paul preached to the Jews in a synagogue.
Israel was already quite familiar with the promises that God had made to them. The apostles did NOT need to REPEAT them ALL every time that the preached.
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No, it's not like that at all. When you think it might matter, it does not. Like Heb 11-13; go through that sometime and see what conclusions you come to about the land.
Or Acts 26: right when he could save his neck and calm them down about land promises, he says what they are looking for (like Jn 12:34) is already accomplished in the resurrection of Christ to bless the world.
There are 'arguments from silence' but this land thingie is an 'argument from absence'.
All who have the faith of Abraham, of course, do inherit the NHNE, Rom 4.
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No, they are not. I do NOT use the silence of the absence to confirm them. They STAND on their OWN.
You need to somehow proved that they are CANCELLED and YOU are the one using the "silence or absence" to do so.
So, quite clearly, YOU the one that is TRYING to use the argument from absence!
And, of course, you're too dumb to even know it.
CHAPTER BLASTER again....
Quote the SPECIFIC verses that support your argument and explain WHY!
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Re Rom 4. It's more dramatic if you read it yourself.
Re Acts 26. If you knew the status of the land in the 1st century, you'd appreciate why the apostles say nothing, or even tell believers to 'let go' of their attachment to it, in Hebrews. Just look at the vision of heaven, of things above, in heb 11-13, and that tells you everything you need to know about 'land promises', mostly because it is in Hebrews.
If I quote a line, you'll say that's "too particular" or "out of context." it is best if you read Acts 26 10x and see what is being said to whom and then decide if there are land promises that matter.
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It still stands that throughout the apostles letters and materials, right where you might think the land matters or would be raised as an exception, there is nothing.
SaulToPaul 2
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So when did the LORD fulfill Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles?
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Hebrews says the Atonement is fulfilled. I'm not sure you read that part; it might be for Gentiles.
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Heb 10:36 (AKJV/PCE)
(10:36) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
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Heb 9:28 (AKJV/PCE)
(9:28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
Heb 9:28 (KJV)
The sins are taken away when the LORD returns.
This is when he fulfills The Day of Atonement for the Hebrews.
SaulToPaul 2
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IP the Genius really does not know that the High Priest enters the Holy of Holies, and when he returns this signifies that the sins have been taken away?
IP the Genius really doesn't know that the LORD Jesus Christ entered the Holy of Holies in heaven, and will return without their sins? The Day of Atonement.
He may be smart, but he doesn't believe his Bible.
Maybe there is some obscure greek word that he can use to show us how we are so off-base on this one.
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Actually, the problem is you don't read Heb 10:1-18, esp v12, which says everything is done. Nice try. This completed work is also said to be the fulfilled covenant of Jer 31, already done, already fulfilled, praise God!
So I feel bad for all those deprived by 2P2P of what they have in Christ.
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Heb 10:12-13 (AKJV/PCE)
(10:12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (10:13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.