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john w

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The law was abolished at the cross, but only for Christians,
=again, his dementia induced, demon induced "logic," as he slurs "the law was abolished, eliminated, no longer exists, is destroyed, made void for some, but un-abolished, un-eliminated, re-exists, is un-destroyed, is un made void, for others," as he butchers, corrupts, the meaning of words, according to his satanic "Pate-ianity," replacing/deleting/redefining words in the book, which he despises, as he, on record, deletes 3/4 of it.
 

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why be born again at all if the law was abolished...

No law is no sin...no need to be reborn

yes it does but that very same law you claim is NO MORE...so what convicts you of sin when there is no more law?...what causes you to come to Christ when there is no need of salvation?

Correct, as he asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.
 

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Correct, as he asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.

He merely follows the jewish false witness that the law was changed at the cross...

To him the good news of the cross is foolishness...

Only one type of people feel that way about what was done at the cross...freedom from the curse of the Law not the Law itself...

He would claim His very throne room was without law...as if it were lawless...as if the Spirit does not guide one into keeping it not abolish it or contrary to it...

John in his second letter is clear...

“This is love that we walk according to His commandments...walk in it...Look to yourselves that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone like Robert comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house thread or forum nor greet him or respond to his posts, for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds and posting...”

Yikes...
 

Robert Pate

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The law is your Jesus. Paul plainly says that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. The reason that you cannot read and believe the scriptures is because you are as spiritually dead as a rock.
 

Robert Pate

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The words law and religion basically mean the same thing. When one is doing the law they are doing their religion. When one is doing their religion they are doing the law.

"Knowing this that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified, Gal. 2:16. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin, Rom. 3:20. Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? Gal. 4:21. For as many as are under the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written cursed is everyone, that does not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them, Gal. 3:10. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers, 1 Tim.1:9.

Christ has become no effect unto you, whosoever you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace, Gal. 5:4. Because the law works wrath: for where no law is there is no transgression, Ro. 4:15. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter, Ro. 7:6. For the letter kills , but the spirit gives life, 2 Cor. 3:6.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in the ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace, Eph. 2:15. Blotting out the hand writing of ordinances that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross, Col. 2:14. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes, Ro. 10:4. Where is boasting then? it is excluded, by what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith, Ro. 3:27. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law, Ro. 3:28. It is of faith that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not only to that which is of the law, but to that also which is of the seed of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Ro. 4:16."
 

john w

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The law is your Jesus. Paul plainly says that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. The reason that you cannot read and believe the scriptures is because you are as spiritually dead as a rock.

No, it does not, you filthy, habitual liar, as you spam the above every other post, per your daddy devil's orders.

Paul plainly says that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:13.


=word=for-word spam, that I/others, have refuted, with chapter, and verse, as the wicked deceiver changes words in the bible, replacing them with his Pate-ianity words, adds words to the bible, and butchers the meaning of words.


Pate. calls Paul a liar, as Pate asserts that this should not be in the bible...



Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


...or revises it to:

Pate-ianity: Do we then make void the law through faith? yea, we do!!! The law is void.


You wicked deceiver, and your spamming Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:13, in isolation, satanically "interpreting" them, is from the pits of hell.

No, satanic shill, when we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the existing law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

In that time period, when a man was charged with a crime, the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty, the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the cross, not the law itself.

The holy law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross, not the law.The penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay was nailed--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.

No, it does not "plainly say" that God's perfect law was abolished, deceiver, despite your spam, posting verses in isolation, deleting 3/4 of the bible, including, where it "plainly" says:



Matthew 5:17 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Psalms 111 KJV

7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

....to "prove" his doctrine of demons."

He corrupts, perverts both Ephesians 2:15 KJV, Colossians 2:14 KJV, to prop up his satanic assertion that the perfect, holy, just, good, not void law of God, which reflects His character, is no longer in existence.


Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU. Thus, he then,like the devil attempts to ...

He satanically delete "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.



Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not prefect/good/holy/spiritual,as he asserts that it causes us to sin, as it is sin, and the problem is not with man/him, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.


He keeps satanically spamming this made up slop, that Col. 2:13-14 KJV has God's holy laws in view, being nailed to the cross. I, and others, have corrected you on it, over, and over, and yet you keep asserting this satanic "doctrine." One more time, to protect the sheep/babes, from your lies:

What was nailed to the cross is described as “the handwriting of requirements"-that was against us, which was contrary to us.” Because “ordinances” sounds like “law,” some, like sloppy Pate, twist the meaning of “nailed it to the cross” into Paul saying the force of the law of God ended at the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.




The writ of charges...
In using the words “handwriting of requirements … contrary to us … nailed it to the cross,” Paul was describing the record of our sins, the indictment that required the penalty of death.

No, the indictments against believers, the charges against believers, the legal indebtedness against believers – was what was dropped, and nailed to the cross at the Lord Jesus Christ's death, rather than the law itself, which is consistently characterized in Scripture as eternal, and good...To wit:


Romans 7 KJV

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

“handwriting,”=a memorandum of debt, "a writing by hand" used in public and private contracts.


The wages of our sins—our debt—is death (Romans 6:23). The Lord Jesus Christ was willing to pay that debt by dying in our place, thus blotting out the record of our debt and pardoning our sins.

Survey the "death warrant" against us, because of our sin/sins is the sign that Pilate had nailed to the cross upon which the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified. John 19:19-22 KJV-It was customary to publish a writ of charges against the condemned, and the board above the Lord Jesus Christ's head was inscribed with the charges for which the Jewish authorities demanded His death. Thus, it was a Roman custom, to write the name of the condemned person and his crime on a plaque to be placed above his head at the execution. Survey Mark 15:26 KJV-"superscription of his accusation."

26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.




The charges removed-the meaning, then, of Colossians 2:13-14 KJV, based upon the immediate and the broader context is: You gentile believers had a death sentence against you due to your sin/sins-here are the charges............... But through the dbr, everything that one time could have been held against you has been removed.

The law against believers? No, it wasn’t God’s law that was against believers; it was the sins that they committed, as defined by that same holy, good law!. "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"= anything written by hand, but can more specifically apply to a legal document, bond or note of debt, was against us!!!!

Paul is relaying that the LORD God has "wiped out," removed, "nailed to the cross," through the body of Christ , representing mankind's guilt, the instrument for the remembrance of sin. The legal basis of this instrument was the "binding statutes," Col. 2:14 KJV, but what the LORD God destroyed on the cross was not the legal ground, the law, for our entanglement into sin, but the written record of our sins. By destroying the record of sins, the LORD God removed the possibility of a charge ever being made again against those who have been forgiven-a dead man is not under jurisdiction to the law.

" Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"


The above-a handwritten acknowledgement or note of debt, something like an I.O.U. When the debt was paid in full, the handwriting was invalidated by piercing it with something sharp like a nail.

This "handwriting" was also used in the case of the crucifixion or punishment of a criminal. All the charges of which the person had been found guilty, were written on a piece of parchment, and nailed to the cross on which the person convicted of those crimes would be crucified. Everyone could then see why he was hanging there and what he had done to deserve such a cruel punishment.This written indictment/charge/accusation are seen in John 19:19-20: accusations that were hung on the cross, on which the Lord Jesus Christ hung:

19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.

20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

The "accusing witness," so to speak, against the sinner, the record book of his sins, the certificate of debt, or book of debt, was removed/nailed. The Lord Jesus Christ has "erased" it, removed it out of the court, out of the witness chair of the accuser. Not only is this record of our sins removed, but it is also "nailed to the cross" in the sense that the Lord Jesus Christ took our sins upon himself, and paid the penalty for them...Survey 2 Cor. 5:21 KJV.


When we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the Law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

In that time period when a man was charged with a crime the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the Stake, not the Law itself.

The law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.



Again-the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.


The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.



Moreover, pardoning someone for committing a capital crime, doesn’t do away with the law that was broken. If anything, it shows that the law carries force, for without the pardon, the criminal would die!

In the same way, the law of God carries force since breaking it (committing sin) requires the death penalty. The law is that powerful, that important. It is holy. People aren’t saved from that which was against them (the death penalty) by doing away with the law. What saves people from death is the death of the Lord Jesus Christ in the place of those who trust 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.

In fact, the wording Paul employed Colossians 2:13-14 showed that the law of God continues to carry great force. By saying the penalty demanded under the law of God was nailed to the instrument that killed the Lord Jesus Christ, Paul was showing that the law of God was still in force, still requiring death for sin.

By contrast, if the law had been brought to an abrupt end by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, from that point on, nothing would be “against the law”-duh! Nothing could be called “sin.” Of course, we know that is not true. Sin exists, which means the law that calls it “sin” also exists!

The Lord Jesus Christ nailed to the cross what was contrary to him...

Ephesians 2:15 KJV "the law of commandments contained in ordinances;"
Colossians 2:14 KJV "the handwriting of ordinances"
Hebrews 7:16 KJV "the law of a carnal commandment"
Hebrews 9:10 KJV "carnal ordinances;"

What the Lord Jesus Christ abolished was carnal/fleshly commandments and ordinances, and hand written ordinances=that is the context..= the decrees of exclusion established by men, which were rooted in enmity between Jew & Gentile,such as “touch not, taste not, handle not”(survey Colossians 2:21 KJV), man-made social class/caste system set in place by Oral Torah, and Jewish leaders, attempting to keep a social and religious difference between Jews and Gentiles. Ordinances/decrees were laws that were man-made. Paul was referring to man-made orders, in this verse through the term “ordinance”. These “ordinances” were, yes, indeed hostile/”hate”/”enmity”, as they restrained anyone other than “Jews” worshiping God. These ordinances made a clear separation between Jew and Gentile, by elevating one above the other, to an “elite status,” to the extent where gentiles were looked down upon, scorned, and disassociated, by Jews everywhere………..


And I already picked apart your 2 Corinthians 3:13 satanic interpretation, at length, and you had nothing to say, as your daddy devil told you to hush.

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?131525-YOU-MUST-BE-BORN-AGAIN-John-3-7/page9

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john w

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Pate asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.
 

Robert Pate

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The words law and religion basically mean the same thing. When one is doing the law they are doing their religion. When one is doing their religion they are doing the law.

"Knowing this that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified, Gal. 2:16. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin, Rom. 3:20. Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? Gal. 4:21. For as many as are under the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written cursed is everyone, that does not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them, Gal. 3:10. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers, 1 Tim.1:9.

Christ has become no effect unto you, whosoever you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace, Gal. 5:4. Because the law works wrath: for where no law is there is no transgression, Ro. 4:15. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter, Ro. 7:6. For the letter kills , but the spirit gives life, 2 Cor. 3:6.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in the ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace, Eph. 2:15. Blotting out the hand writing of ordinances that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross, Col. 2:14. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes, Ro. 10:4. Where is boasting then? it is excluded, by what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith, Ro. 3:27. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law, Ro. 3:28. It is of faith that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not only to that which is of the law, but to that also which is of the seed of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Ro. 4:16."
 

Robert Pate

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Pate asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.

You are not able to accept God's word. Probably because you are as spiritually dead as a rock.
 

john w

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You are not able to accept God's word. Probably because you are as spiritually dead as a rock.

Spam.
Pate asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.
 

Robert Pate

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Spam.
Pate asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.


You can't address the scriptures that refute you, all that you can do is attack those that disagree with you.
 

Robert Pate

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The words law and religion basically mean the same thing. When one is doing the law they are doing their religion. When one is doing their religion they are doing the law.

"Knowing this that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified, Gal. 2:16. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin, Rom. 3:20. Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? Gal. 4:21. For as many as are under the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written cursed is everyone, that does not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them, Gal. 3:10. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers, 1 Tim.1:9.

Christ has become no effect unto you, whosoever you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace, Gal. 5:4. Because the law works wrath: for where no law is there is no transgression, Ro. 4:15. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter, Ro. 7:6. For the letter kills , but the spirit gives life, 2 Cor. 3:6.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in the ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace, Eph. 2:15. Blotting out the hand writing of ordinances that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross, Col. 2:14. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes, Ro. 10:4. Where is boasting then? it is excluded, by what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith, Ro. 3:27. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law, Ro. 3:28. It is of faith that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not only to that which is of the law, but to that also which is of the seed of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Ro. 4:16."
 

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You can't address the scriptures that refute you, all that you can do is attack those that disagree with you.

=spam, and your continual habitual lie, that you post to everyone, that disagrees with your satanic, from the pits of hell, "argument," as I/others, post 10 times the amount of scripture you do, expounding on them, while all you do is spam verses in isolation, deleting words, adding words, under your satanic "reason" of "freedom," corrupting the meaning of words, and satanically "interpreting" that which is left of the bible, after you delete 3/4 of it, as you, on record, assert that the OT is worthless, as you throw it in your trash.

Demon.


This is what I teach and believe. Does this sound like heresy to you? After reading this do you still believe that I am a devil?]


No, you reject that Christ died for our sins-the devil child never cites that, the gospel of Christ, in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV-never. And why is that? He cannot, as sin is the transgression of the law, and if there is no law, to define sin, there is no sin/sin debt/transgression, for which Christ might die.

This is what you believe, liar:

Pate asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.

Once again, I believe all that Paul wrote. It is not heresy, I am not a devil, nor am I a wolf or a deceiver.

No, you believe in your satanic interpretation of what Paul wrote, and, on record, assert that Paul is a liar, when He asserts that the law is not void. You say it is, demon.
I believe God's word to be true.

No, you don't, as you delete 3/4 of it, replace words, add words, corrupt the meaning of words, and on record, assert that the OT is worthless. You hate what is left of the word of God, most of which you throw in the trash, evil one.
 

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Living by the Spirit is far superior than living by laws, rules and religion.

Thank you, Robert.

I cast out all my spirits (with Jesus' help) to live by God's words.
I stopped speaking my own words to keep His sayings.

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:3
 

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=spam, and your continual habitual lie, that you post to everyone, that disagrees with your satanic, from the pits of hell, "argument," as I/others, post 10 times the amount of scripture you do, expounding on them, while all you do is spam verses in isolation, deleting words, adding words, under your satanic "reason" of "freedom," corrupting the meaning of words, and satanically "interpreting" that which is left of the bible, after you delete 3/4 of it, as you, on record, assert that the OT is worthless, as you throw it in your trash.

Demon.




No, you reject that Christ died for our sins-the devil child never cites that, the gospel of Christ, in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV-never. And why is that? He cannot, as sin is the transgression of the law, and if there is no law, to define sin, there is no sin/sin debt/transgression, for which Christ might die.

This is what you believe, liar:

Pate asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.



No, you believe in your satanic interpretation of what Paul wrote, and, on record, assert that Paul is a liar, when He asserts that the law is not void. You say it is, demon.


No, you don't, as you delete 3/4 of it, replace words, add words, corrupt the meaning of words, and on record, assert that the OT is worthless. You hate what is left of the word of God, most of which you throw in the trash, evil one.


I can't think of anyone on this Forum that needs the law as much as you do.

"Knowing this, that the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS MAN, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers" 1 Timothy 1:9.
 

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The law is your Jesus. Paul plainly says that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. The reason that you cannot read and believe the scriptures is because you are as spiritually dead as a rock.

For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:18

Heaven and earth shall pass away,
but My words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:35
 

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I can't think of anyone on this Forum that needs the law as much as you do.

"Knowing this, that the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS MAN, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers" 1 Timothy 1:9.
No doubt about it, you need the law.

"Knowing this, that the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS MAN, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and murders of mothers, for manslayers" 1 Timothy 1:9.

Yep, you need the law.

=spam=if the law exists, you are under it.

You wicked, dementia ridden demon-you can't even think straight.


"and for sinners,"
I am a sinner...I sin...

Pate admits he is under the law.






TELL ALL OF TOL, you demon:

Did Paul assert that the law was made void?


Yes, or no, devil child?


He won't touch that. Watch the spam, or dementia induced "logic" forthcoming.


Tell us how Christ can die for your sins, demon, if the law that defines them, was eliminated, destroyed, 2000+ years ago, before you ever committed any sins.


Go ahead, Pate.

Pate's changing the words of scripture:


"Knowing this, that the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS MAN, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and murders of mothers, for manslayers, and therefore, it no longer exists, was made void."- 1 Pate 6:66


You wicked perverter, hating the LORD God, and his forever holy, good, spiritual, not void law, as you spit at it.
 

john w

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I can't think of anyone on this Forum that needs the law as much as you do.

"Knowing this, that the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS MAN, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and mothers, for manslayers" 1 Timothy 1:9.

TELL ALL OF TOL, you demon:

Did Paul assert that the law was made void?


Yes, or no, devil child?
 

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For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:18

Heaven and earth shall pass away,
but My words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:35

Psalms 111 KJV

7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment;all his commandments are sure.8 They stand fast for ever and ever,and are done in truth and uprightness.


Pate: To h--- with you, "god." Your law has been destroyed, eliminated, so that your Christ need not die for anyone's sins!!!!!


Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Pate: To h--- with you,Paul, you reprobate, as you are spiritually dead!!! The law of God is not holy, is not good, is not spiritual, as it is the problem, not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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