Partakers of the Body of Christ and the New Covenant

[Tambora]

Luke 22:19-20 ESV
(19) And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
(20) And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.


1 Corinthians 11:23-26 ESV
(23) For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread,
(24) and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
(25) In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
(26) For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.


1 Corinthians 10:16-17 ESV
(16) The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ?
The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
(17) Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.


AMEN

 

[fzappa13]

This is the part that always spooked me:

26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

 

[Idolater]

Luke 22:19-20 ESV
(19) And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it ...

1 Corinthians 11:23-26 ESV ...
(24) and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said ...

The Greek word there is where we get the word "Eucharist," which is what Catholics (and Orthodoxy) call the Lord's Supper or Communion. It means giving thanks, or thanksgiving.

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1 Corinthians 10:16-17 ESV
(16) The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ?
The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
(17) Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.

That word "participation" can also be rendered "Communion."

AMEN

Amen. Along with "Alleluia" and "Hosanna," these are the Hebrew words which are used in every Catholic Mass.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Tam!

 

[Tambora]

The Greek word there is where we get the word "Eucharist," which is what Catholics (and Orthodoxy) call the Lord's Supper or Communion. It means giving thanks, or thanksgiving.


That word "participation" can also be rendered "Communion."


Amen. Along with "Alleluia" and "Hosanna," these are the Hebrew words which are used in every Catholic Mass.

Thank you.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Tam!

And may you and yours have a blessed Thanksgiving as well!

 

[Derf]

This is the part that always spooked me:

26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

Why is that spooky?

 

[fzappa13]

Why is that spooky?

Well, just chew on that for a while. What do you think it means?

 

[Derf]

Well, just chew on that for a while. What do you think it means?

Chewed awhile...nothing comes to mind.

 

[Tambora]

Chewed awhile...nothing comes to mind.

I'm not sure what he means either.

 

[fzappa13]

Okay, let's start here:


27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

What does it take to be worthy?

 

[Derf]

Okay, let's start here:


27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

What does it take to be worthy?

My pastor says it's not that we ourselves could ever be unworthy, because our worthiness is from Christ. It's the taking that can be unworthily effected. That speaks of how we take it--in what manner or attitude we take it. If we are not considering our brethren, it's unworthily.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Okay, let's start here:


27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

What does it take to be worthy?

Be a member of the body of Christ.

 

[JudgeRightly]

My pastor says it's not that we ourselves could ever be unworthy, because our worthiness is from Christ. It's the taking that can be unworthily effected. That speaks of how we take it--in what manner or attitude we take it. If we are not considering our brethren, it's unworthily.

Typical churchianity.

The Bible does not say, "Hate the sin, love the sinner." It says, "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he" (Prov. 23:7). Thus, the problem isn't his sin as much as it is him. Yes, "the Lord hates... hands that shed innocent blood," (Prov. 6:16-17), but those hands are attached to the man and controlled by his heart (i.e., his mind). So God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5). "The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man" (Ps 5:6). Also "the wicked and the one who loves violence [God] hates." (Ps 11:5). So not only does King David say, "Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! ... Do I not hate them, O Lord who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect hatred" (Ps. 139:19, 21-22; [Jer. 12:8]). Further, "The face of the Lord is against those who do evil" (Ps 34:16). God "loves righteousness and hate(s) wickedness (Ps. 45:7). There are six things "the Lord hates," including "a heart that devises wicked plans… a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren" (Prov. 6:16-19). And God reminds us "All their wickedness is in Gilgal, for there I hated them. Because of the evil of their deeds I will drive them from My house; I will love them no more" (Hos. 9:15). As Moses recorded that God said, "if you do not obey Me... My soul shall abhor you" (Lev. 26:27-30).

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Paul says if one eats and drinks in an unworthy manner, he "will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord."

That's not something you say to believers. That's a warning against unbelievers eating and drinking (the body and blood of Christ).

 

[fzappa13]

My pastor says it's not that we ourselves could ever be unworthy, because our worthiness is from Christ. It's the taking that can be unworthily effected. That speaks of how we take it--in what manner or attitude we take it. If we are not considering our brethren, it's unworthily.

That kinda lines up with what follows it:

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

It feels like we are being called to contrition here.

 

[Derf]

Typical churchianity.

The Bible does not say, "Hate the sin, love the sinner." It says, "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he" (Prov. 23:7). Thus, the problem isn't his sin as much as it is him. Yes, "the Lord hates... hands that shed innocent blood," (Prov. 6:16-17), but those hands are attached to the man and controlled by his heart (i.e., his mind). So God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5). "The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man" (Ps 5:6). Also "the wicked and the one who loves violence [God] hates." (Ps 11:5). So not only does King David say, "Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! ... Do I not hate them, O Lord who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect hatred" (Ps. 139:19, 21-22; [Jer. 12:8]). Further, "The face of the Lord is against those who do evil" (Ps 34:16). God "loves righteousness and hate(s) wickedness (Ps. 45:7). There are six things "the Lord hates," including "a heart that devises wicked plans… a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren" (Prov. 6:16-19). And God reminds us "All their wickedness is in Gilgal, for there I hated them. Because of the evil of their deeds I will drive them from My house; I will love them no more" (Hos. 9:15). As Moses recorded that God said, "if you do not obey Me... My soul shall abhor you" (Lev. 26:27-30).

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Paul says if one eats and drinks in an unworthy manner, he "will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord."

That's not something you say to believers. That's a warning against unbelievers eating and drinking (the body and blood of Christ).

He was writing to unbelievers?

 

[Idolater]

Okay, let's start here:


27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

What does it take to be worthy?

It means, this is very serious; we should take this seriously.

 

[Tambora]

It means, this is very serious; we should take this seriously.

Certainly.

Verse 26 explains what it means to partake of the Body of Christ and the New Covenant worthily.

1 Corinthians 11​

(26) For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.​

It ain't about filling your belly.
It's about proclaiming what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for the world.

 

[Right Divider]

He was writing to unbelievers?

Paul knew, as should you, that every group of believers is mixed with unbelievers.

 

[JudgeRightly]

He was writing to unbelievers?

No, He was writing to believers, but he was aware that there would be unbelievers who would read his words, and think to themselves, "well I guess I'll do this too, so I can appear righteous."

His warning was for them.

 

[fzappa13]

No, He was writing to believers, but he was aware that there would be unbelievers who would read his words, and think to themselves, "well I guess I'll do this too, so I can appear righteous."

His warning was for them.

So, how do we tell the difference between the two?

 

[Right Divider]

So, how do we tell the difference between the two?

Sometimes you can't.