Over 10,000 COVID-19 Infections Recorded in Americans Who Received Vaccine

[marke]

The vaccines have been proven safe and effective in controlled tests. They've proven safe and effective in Israel, the UK, and now in much of the US. You live in a fantasy world.I can't argue with people who put their heads in the sand.

The tests prove the vaccines are mostly safe, but not entirely safe, and if all the data were allowed to be reported the public would know the vaccines are not nearly as safe as secularists would have us believe.

39-Year-Old British Fashion Model Dies After Getting COVID-19 Shot in Cyprus

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A UK-born model experienced a blood clot and passed away after getting the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in Paphos, Cyprus, said a health official on Monday.
According to CyprusMail, Stephanie Dubois, 39, underwent a serious “thrombotic episode” after getting the shot, which has been suspended or restricted in over 20 countries due to possible side effects.
Health officials at the main state hospital in Nicosia, the capital of Cyprus, stated that Dubois didn’t have any underlying health conditions.

 

[expos4ever]

Vaccines are 100% effective?

Or are you willing to risk your old parents lives on 95% "effectiveness"?

Would you take them out to dinner if there was a 5% chance they'd die from salmonella?

More misleading material. You are trying to imply that if a vaccine is "only" 95%, visiting Grandma puts her at 5% risk of dying.

Time for some eddication:

What the 95% actually means is that vaccinated people had a 95% lower risk of getting COVID-19 compared with the control group participants, who weren't vaccinated. In other words, vaccinated people in the Pfizer clinical trial were 20 times less likely than the control group to get COVID-19.

Yes, Grandma could get sick. But the 95% figure does not mean she has a 5% chance of getting sick, as your post strongly implies; it means that if she is vaccinated, she has 20 times less risk to get sick. From Business Insider:

That does not mean that a vaccine is going to be 95% effective at stamping out all disease, even the asymptomatic kind. It does not mean that 5% of vaccinated people globally will get sick. And it does not mean that, once you are fully vaccinated, you have a 5% risk of getting COVID-19.

 

[marke]

More misleading material. You are trying to imply that if a vaccine is "only" 95%, visiting Grandma puts her at 5% risk of dying.

Time for some eddication:

What the 95% actually means is that vaccinated people had a 95% lower risk of getting COVID-19 compared with the control group participants, who weren't vaccinated. In other words, vaccinated people in the Pfizer clinical trial were 20 times less likely than the control group to get COVID-19.

Yes, Grandma could get sick. But the 95% figure does not mean she has a 5% chance of getting sick, as your post strongly implies; it means that if she is vaccinated, she has 20 times less risk to get sick. From Business Insider:

That does not mean that a vaccine is going to be 95% effective at stamping out all disease, even the asymptomatic kind. It does not mean that 5% of vaccinated people globally will get sick. And it does not mean that, once you are fully vaccinated, you have a 5% risk of getting COVID-19.

If you buy a lottery ticket you might get lucky and win lots of money. Even if you get the covid vaccine you might be one of the unlucky ones among the vaccinated who still get sick and even die from covid.

 

[expos4ever]

Fact: As deaths become rarer from covid due to increasing herd immunity there is no reason to fear those who refuse to take the vaccine have increased risks over those who don't.

Misleading yet again. Yes, covid will become rarer (assuming no nasty new variants). But it will not be equally rare for all. The overwhelming majority of the "rare" cases will be concentrated in those who refused to be vaccinated. In fact, per my post, an infectious disease expert, not me, has stated that those who refuse the vaccine are at huge risk of getting the disease in the long run - time will catch up with them.

Those who refuse the vaccine are at decidedly greater risk. From the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA):

The “herd immunity threshold” refers to the percentage of the population that needs to become immune to an infectious disease so that people without immunity aren’t likely to interact with an infected person and become infected. Typically, herd immunity is achieved when 70% to 90% of the population is immune through natural infection or vaccination. Even if herd immunity is achieved, it might not be uniform across the population, so outbreaks could still occur.

And if outbreaks still occur, who is more likely to get sick in such outbreaks? The vaccinated or the unvaccinated?

 

[marke]

Misleading yet again. Yes, covid will become rarer (assuming no nasty new variants). But it will not be equally rare for all. The overwhelming majority of the "rare" cases will be concentrated in those who refused to be vaccinated. In fact, per my post, an infectious disease expert, not me, has stated that those who refuse the vaccine are at huge risk of getting the disease in the long run - time will catch up with them.

Those who refuse the vaccine are at decidedly greater risk. From the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA):

The “herd immunity threshold” refers to the percentage of the population that needs to become immune to an infectious disease so that people without immunity aren’t likely to interact with an infected person and become infected. Typically, herd immunity is achieved when 70% to 90% of the population is immune through natural infection or vaccination. Even if herd immunity is achieved, it might not be uniform across the population, so outbreaks could still occur.

And if outbreaks still occur, who is more likely to get sick in such outbreaks? The vaccinated or the unvaccinated?

Yes, diseases will remain dangerous to all, while almost no threats of disease move government officials to shut down the entire economy in fear, except for covid. Message to fearful government officials: You cannot stop the threat of disease by shutting down people's lives and the entire economy. That is stupid.

 

[expos4ever]

Hank Aaron was not experiencing health problems when he took the vaccine. Hours later he was dead.

You are keeping your old habit of confusing correlation with causation. First, where is your evidence that Mr. Aaron was not experiencing health problems? Second the man was 86!!!! He was obviously "at risk" for death for reasons that have nothing to do with being vaccinated.

Look: thousands and thousands of elderly people die every day from non-vaccine causes! This was the case before Covid and it is the case now. The fact that a handful of these people will have had a vaccine a few hours earlier does not demonstrate anything. Honestly, this is not rocket science: According to data, about 8,000 Americans die each and every day. The fact that a small handful of those who die each day will have been vaccinated in the past few hours or days does not mean anything! A small handful of people who die each day will have worn a bright red shirt in the hours before they died. Does this mean wearing the bright red shirt killed them?

Think, man, think!

 

[marke]

You are keeping your old habit of confusing correlation with causation. First, where is your evidence that Mr. Aaron was not experiencing health problems? Second the man was 86!!!! He was obviously "at risk" for death for reasons that have nothing to do with being vaccinated.

Look: thousands and thousands of elderly people die every day from non-vaccine causes! This was the case before Covid and it is the case now. The fact that a handful of these people will have had a vaccine a few hours earlier does not demonstrate anything. Honestly, this is not rocket science: According to data, about 8,000 Americans die each and every day. The fact that a small handful of those who die each day will have been vaccinated in the past few hours or days does not mean anything! A small handful of people who die each day will have worn a bright red shirt in the hours before they died. Does this mean wearing the bright red shirt killed them?

Think, man, think!

If Aaron was at risk of getting covid and was fine until he got the vaccine, then how sad that he took the vaccine and ended his life.

 

[expos4ever]

Baloney. Even with leftist news outlets suppressing the facts, evidence has gotten out that many of those who got the vaccines also later got covid and some even died from covid.

What utter piffle. We all know that vaccinated people can catch Covid and even die. No one has denied this.

You are engaging in reckless behaviors by advising others to not get vaccinated.

 

[expos4ever]

The vaccine saves lives just like Tylenol saves lives if people attribute their avoidance of sickness or death to Tylenol.

Do you think that if you repeat a falsehood enough times, people will believe it.

Come to think of it, you may indeed be right.

 

[expos4ever]

A UK-born model experienced a blood clot and passed away after getting the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in Paphos, Cyprus, said a health official on Monday.

We all know this. Only those who do not understand that anecdotes demonstrate nothing will be taken in by this line of "argument".

 

[marke]

What utter piffle. We all know that vaccinated people can catch Covid and even die. No one has denied this.

You are engaging in reckless behaviors by advising others to not get vaccinated.

You can get vaccinated if you like, but you should not force others to get vaccinated against their own better judgment.

 

[marke]

Do you think that if you repeat a falsehood enough times, people will believe it.

Come to think of it, you may indeed be right.

My advice is for people to seek God's deliverance from sicknesses and death if it is His will. You cannot go wrong by doing that.

 

[expos4ever]

If Aaron was at risk of getting covid and was fine until he got the vaccine, then how sad that he took the vaccine and ended his life.

Ye bear false witness.

You know it's funny - you guys sermonize all day about "secularists", etc. Yet you appear perfectly comfortable with spreading false information that you have to know is false.

Your post here is yet another distortion of the truth. The defect in your argument has already been pointed out.

 

[expos4ever]

You can get vaccinated if you like, but you should not force others to get vaccinated against their own better judgment.

Strawman - my word, is there no end to the vast array of deception and error you promote?

No one, at least now, is forcing anyone to get vaccinated.

You are free to participate in evolution by natural selection.

Better judgement? Since when does denial of scientific evidence seasoned with a healthy dose of tinfoil-hattery constitute better judgement?

 

[expos4ever]

My advice is for people to seek God's deliverance from sicknesses and death if it is His will. You cannot go wrong by doing that.

Let's see how consistent you are in this stance. Here are your own words from a thread about guns:

You don't need worthless gun laws to stop thugs. You need these thugs to get saved and stop acting like uncivilized baboons. And we need more respect for police officers, more law-abiding Americans to be armed to defend against these types of lawless barbarians, and we need stronger...

Now then, I, and others perhaps, will be interested to know why you believe we should:

1. rely on God for deliverance from sickness
2. rely on Smith and Wesson for deliverance from thugs.

I quite literally cannot wait to read your reply.

 

[marke]

Ye bear false witness.

You know it's funny - you guys sermonize all day about "secularists", etc. Yet you appear perfectly comfortable with spreading false information that you have to know is false.

Your post here is yet another distortion of the truth. The defect in your argument has already been pointed out.

Don't accuse me of lying when I tell the truth. Hank Aaron was not sick before he took the vaccine, just hours before he died.

 

[marke]

Strawman - my word, is there no end to the vast array of deception and error you promote?

No one, at least now, is forcing anyone to get vaccinated.

You are free to participate in evolution by natural selection.

Better judgement? Since when does denial of scientific evidence seasoned with a healthy dose of tinfoil-hattery constitute better judgement?

There is no scientific evidence guaranteeing that covid vaccines are safe and effective over several years.

 

[expos4ever]

Don't accuse me of lying when I tell the truth. Hank Aaron was not sick before he took the vaccine, just hours before he died.

Nice try. You posted these things

Hank Aaron was not experiencing health problems when he took the vaccine. Hours later he was dead.

Of course nobody can prove Hank Aaron died from the vaccine just after getting it, but it is also true nobody can prove he did not die from the vaccine.

If Aaron was at risk of getting covid and was fine until he got the vaccine, then how sad that he took the vaccine and ended his life.

It is obvious that you are implying that the vaccine took his life. And that is a falsehood by any reasonable standard. You are now back-pedaling furiously and playing innocent - "All I said was that he was not sick before the vaccine and now he is dead".

Nonsense, you are saying a lot more than this.

 

[expos4ever]

There is no scientific evidence guaranteeing that covid vaccines are safe and effective over several years.

You are absolutely 100% correct - there is nothing at all in your statement that is in any way misleading.

And it helps your argument how?

 

[expos4ever]

Yes, diseases will remain dangerous to all, while almost no threats of disease move government officials to shut down the entire economy in fear, except for covid. Message to fearful government officials: You cannot stop the threat of disease by shutting down people's lives and the entire economy. That is stupid.

Of course you can stop disease through shutdowns. Not only is this common sense, it has been demonstrated during this pandemic. Whether it is worth the effect on the economy is a valid question. But you have provided no evidence that the benefits of shutdowns are not worth the cost. And most importantly, how do know that the economic damage of letting covid burn through the population would not ultimately be far worse.

You talk about "stupid". Well, you should really make an actual case if you are going to toss terms like that around.