God can certainly rotate the earth how He wants to.
Rotating the Earth does not qualify as controlling time.
On the omniscience of God
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God can certainly rotate the earth how He wants to.
Rotating the Earth does not qualify as controlling time.
To change God's mind, among other things.
We don't?
Straw man.
Again, Straw man.
Yup. Why wouldn't we?
If He can roll the earth back 10 degrees He can control time if He wanted to. I don’t believe any human has any clue what God can do. We know God is Holy and cannot act contrary to His Holiness past that no human who has ever lived, other than Jesus, even has a clue.
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Non sequitur, and saying it doesn't make it so, LN.
Can God love?
The only way you can remain consistent with your statement is to say no, which contradicts what the Bible says. Thus, your statement is truly, clearly, wrong.
And now you are actually contradicting yourself.
Do you not include yourself as a "human" in your above claim that, "I don’t believe any human has any clue what God can do."
Consider your entire argument destroyed.
You knew I was talking about supposed limitations on God, which no human has a clue. Is love part of God’s holiness ? Of course it is. I am on an IPhone and the quote feature doesn’t work, sorry. P.s. The only thing destroyed is the limitations some believe they can put on God, and they have zero clue. God spoke the universe into existence, created life, and a livable earth , and think God is limited. You will never find even one verse that supports a limited God.
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Can God make a sphere with flat sides and sharp edges?
There's one limitation.
It only takes one instance for such a broad statement to be shown to be false.
Sin isn't.
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I challenge anyone to find one verse in scripture that supports a limited Almighty God. Thanks for the info.
How about God Himself?
Jeremiah 18:7-10
7 The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, 8 if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. 9 And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, 10 if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.
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| 33 - God Says What He Wants to Do, But Can’t or Doesn’t Do. Jesus said, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets... How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood... but you were not willing!" Luke 13:34; "Come now [Moses], I will send you to Pharaoh..." But Moses said to God, "Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh..." So [God] said, "I will certainly be with you. ...you shall come... to the king of Egypt; and you shall say to him... 'let us go...' " ... Then Moses said... "O my Lord, I am not eloquent... I am slow of speech..." So the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes... the seeing...? Have not I, the Lord? Now therefore, go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall say." But he said, "O my Lord, please send by the hand of whomever else You may send." So the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and He said: “Is not Aaron the Levite your brother? I know that he can speak well. ... Now you shall speak to him and put the words in his mouth. ... So he shall be your spokesman... And Aaron spoke all the words which the Lord had spoken to Moses. Ex. 3:10-12, 18; 4:10-16, 30 and thereafter 68 times then the Bible mentions "Moses and Aaron"; "the Lord met him and sought to kill him" Ex. 4:24 but after Moses' wife resentfully circumcised their son God let her husband go; God said He would destroy the nation of Israel and start over with Moses Ex. 32:9-14; the wicked "limited the Holy One of Israel" from doing what He otherwise would have done Ps. 78:41; to have Ezekiel eat gross bread Ezek. 4:12; God says, "I sought for a man among them... but I found no one" Ezek. 22:30. [We'll be adding Jer. 18/Rom. 9 to this category, when the Potter (God) wanted to build a vessel for honor but made it again into another vessel, of dishonor.] |
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Those verses do not speak to any limitations on God. What they speak to is if people repent God will spare them, and if they don’t He will destroy them .Those verses address the complete control God exerts over His creation based on how people respond to God.As you would say your argument is destroyed.
| 24 - God’s People Believe they can Change God’s Mind and they Do Change His Mind including as Jesus teaches. "Then Moses pleaded with the Lord his God" Ex. 32:11-13; "I was afraid of the anger and hot displeasure with which the Lord was angry with you, to destroy you. But the Lord listened to me at that time also. And the Lord was very angry with Aaron and would have destroyed him; so I prayed for Aaron" Deut. 9:19-20; Jeremiah believed people could change God's mind, and especially Moses and Samuel, as indicated by him writing this under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, "Then the Lord said to me, 'Even if Moses and Samuel stood before Me [even then!], My mind would [still] not be favorable toward this people...' " Jer. 15:1; "Therefore He said that He would destroy them, had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, to turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them" Ps. 106:23; persistent widow Luke 18:4-7; Abraham pressing God to be merciful to Sodom and Gomorrah Gen. 18:23-32. . . . 29 - Prayer Can Change What Would Otherwise Be the Future. Jehoahaz pleaded and God listened and helped deliver Israel 2 Kings 13:4; God told Hezekiah to prepare for "you shall die and not live" but the King pleaded with God who then said, "I have heard your prayer and surely I will heal you... And I will add to your days fifteen years" 2 Kings 20:1-6; a persistent widow pleaded with an unjust judge and Jesus interpreted His own parable, Shall not God answer the prayers of those who continue to ask God Luke 18:1-7; the friend who comes asking for bread at midnight is resisted until his persists and Jesus interprets His parables saying So ask God "and it will be given to you" Luke 11:5-9; Jesus could call for twelve legions of angels (to save Him from the cross) Mat. 26:53; etc. |
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Sure they do.
God cannot reward a wicked nation, nor can he tear down a righteous nation.
Supra.
So God is controlling them, making them become wicked or repent, and then not doing what he said he would do to each in response to His control of them?
Do you see the problem yet?
Nice try. You failed though.
Those verses do not speak to any limitations on God. What they speak to is if people repent God will spare them, and if they don’t He will destroy them .Those verses address the complete control God exerts over His creation based on how people respond to God.As you would say your argument is destroyed.
God rewards repentance and judges disobedience. The limitations of people you have laid on God.God as the creator established the rules not man. The only problem I see honestly is the worm( mankind) thinking they have God figured out placing the limitations of the created on the creator. It isn’t that God cannot reward a wicked nation it is that He will not reward a wicked nation. It isn’t that God cannot punish a righteous nation it is that God will not punish a righteous nation.P.S. There is a major difference between cannot and will not.Nice try but epic fail on your part.
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God cannot reward disobedience and cannot condemn repentance.
That's two more things God cannot do.
Says the one who is ignoring the scriptures being presented to you.
I quoted God telling Israel what His limitations were.
Isn't your position more assuming than ours?
You're saying God cannot reveal Himself to mankind in a way man can understand Him.
We're saying God did do so.
See post #369.
Was David lying when he said the following?
Yes, again and again they tempted God, And limited the Holy One of Israel. - Psalm 78:41 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm78:41&version=NKJV
So God CAN reward a wicked nation and remain righteous?
That in itself is a limitation.
Thank you for conceding the discussion.
So God CAN punish a righteous nation and remain righteous, Himself?
That in itself is a limitation.
Thank you for conceding the discussion. Again.
BOTH are limitations on God.
No, He cannot.
Time is not a thing, it is an idea. Time is nothing more than a convention of language used to convey information about the sequence and duration of events relative to other events. Time cannot be moved forward or backward except in the movies.
Clocks can be changed but that isn't the same thing at all. Clocks are just arbitrary but regularly repeating event generators by which it is easy to relate to some other event.
The statement, "I got out of bed at 8:00 am.", conveys information about a whole series of events. It's a short hand way of saying that I got out of bed (event) just as the hour hand on my watch had completed eight revolutions around the watch face (event) since the new day started (event).
The position of the shadow has to do with the position of the Earth relative to the Sun. God is fully capable of moving the Earth relative to the Sun. What God did here was the divine equivalent of what you do when Daylight Savings Time ends every fall, He changed the clock. But there was still at time before and a time after this episode and everyone involved was able to remember the whole exchange from beginning to end. Had God actually rolled time itself back, then 10° on a Sun dial would have placed them at a time before Hezekiah even asked what the sign was supposed to be.
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In fact, God created time, and placed mankind in it---a boundary, just as He created boundaries for the seas. He Himself is completely outside of time and controls time. Even so, for the sake of redemption, God the Son entered time and lived among us, and rescued a people for Himself.
Amen
The only limitations God has are those imposed on Him by men whom He created and who have zero clue .You don’t see the difference between cannot and will not ?
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How do you know that God cannot control time ? Do you have a scripture to support that belief ? Since God is eternal an unchanging time, which God created, has no effect on Him. I try to keep my mind and beliefs about God inside of what the scripture teaches about God. I believe it is wise when debating, praying to, and or teaching about God to always remember when God spoke to Job and said this,” Job 38:2 who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge
Saying it doesn't make it so, Arial.
In fact, it's worse than that.
Saying time was created is, itself, illogical, because time is a PRECONDITION of creating.
As Clete said:
"Creation" of ANYTHING implies a "before" and "after." a sequence of events relative to each other, a "before the item was created, it did not exist" and a "after the item was created, it did exist."
The Bible says God created matter and space, light and life, but not time.
Time isn't a thing. It's a convention of language.
Repeating the argument won't magically make it come true.
God "entering" time implies a "before God entered time" and an "after God entered time," which is a self defeating statement.