On Consent

[Tambora]

from the OP:

Guest on call-in show made claim that consent can't be given when inebriated

What does civil law say?

 

[theophilus]

so it's ok for her to continue forcing her unwanted attentions on me if she's drunk


is it ok for me to continue forcing unwanted attention on her if i'm drunk?

How long have you been married?

 

[ok doser]

OK by civil law?
Is it against civil law to do so?

according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk

 

[ok doser]

How long have you been married?

33 years


can you answer my question?

 

[theophilus]

so it's ok for her to continue forcing her unwanted attentions on me if she's drunk

If you're drunk, too.

is it ok for me to continue forcing unwanted attention on her if i'm drunk?

If she's drunk, too.

There! Answered your questions!

 

[patrick jane]

33 years


can you answer my question?

Have you had any action lately?

 

[ok doser]

If you're drunk, too.



If she's drunk, too.

There! Answered your questions!

thank you



obviously, none of this applies to a Christian marriage


my interest in consent has to do with the inevitable next wave of social acceptance of perversion, which i suspect will focus on pedophilia

 

[ok doser]

Have you had any action lately?

i was tarping the boathouse roof in the dark last night to cover some fresh shingles in anticipation of the rain we got overnite

that was pretty action filled



and i was inebriated! :banana:


but i dint consent to having sex up there :noid:

 

[Tambora]

my interest is in the legal application of consent

according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk

I guess you have your answer.

/thread

 

[ok doser]

I guess you have your answer.

/thread

then why hold responsible drunk drivers?

or drunk rapists?

why penalize them for the choices they make while drunk?

 

[Tambora]

then why hold responsible drunk drivers?

or drunk rapists?

why penalize them for the choices they make while drunk?

Maybe you should pay attention to your own words.

according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk

 

[ok doser]

Maybe you should pay attention to your own words.

apparently it's ok to deny consent

 

[Tambora]

apparently it's ok to deny consent

Not by your words.

according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk

According to your words a drunk can neither consent nor deny consent. Completely neutral and not even in the game.

You might try changing your mind about your own words.
Mainly because your statement is wrong.
There are many things in which civil law is neutral concerning what drunks can do.

 

[ok doser]

Not by your words.

According to your words a drunk can neither consent nor deny consent. Completely neutral and not even in the game.

You might try changing your mind about your own words.
Mainly because your statement is wrong.
There are many things in which civil law is neutral concerning what drunks can do.

apparently, it's ok to deny consent

and apparently it's not ok to consent (unless you are consenting to denial)

 

[Tambora]

apparently, it's ok to deny consent

Is that what civil law says?

and apparently it's not ok to consent (unless you are consenting to denial)

Is that what civil law says?

 

[ok doser]

apparently



if only we had someone here who could pretend to be an expert on the law :chuckle:

 

[Tambora]

looks like you're having difficulty following along

in the case of consent while inebriated, the law (as currently written) appears to be that consent cannot be given while inebriated

denial of consent (aka consenting to refusal) is ok


my interest is in discussion the disparity


it occurred to me earlier, as i was walking across campus to get a coffee, that this is a case of the state infantilizing women, by removing from their control aspects of their sexuality, in certain conditions


If the state can remove your right to make certain specific choices (the choice to consent) while inebriated then is it just/logical/reasonable that the state holds one responsible for other choices made while inebriated (for example, driving drunk)?

Here is what civil law says:
You do not have consent to drive while drunk, ever.
Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to drive while drunk; you never had consent to do so.

 

[ok doser]

Here is what civil law says:
You do not have consent to drive while drunk, ever.
Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to drive while drunk; you never had consent to do so.

and apparently, you do not have consent to have sex while drunk, ever

Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to have sex while drunk; you never had consent to do so.

 

[ok doser]

which means that all those times I had sex with my wife while i was drunk, she was raping me :chuckle:

 

[Tambora]

and apparently, you do not have consent to have sex while drunk, ever

Civil law does not say that.

Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to have sex while drunk; you never had consent to do so.

Civil law does not say that.