TracerBullet
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Untrue
untrue
Untrue
For someone who denounces lying in general you don’t seem to have any problem repeating lies
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Oklahoma proposes first ever bill to protect gay-conversion therapy
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For someone who denounces lying in general you don’t seem to have any problem repeating lies
musterion
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1. What evidence on which topic?
2. When serious replies are given, you usually go radio silent. So I've found there to be little point in taking your juvenile self seriously.
People tend not to document what is self-evident to the seeing eye. Unless you live in a cave, you know that what I say is true.
GFR7
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Generally speaking, a lot of truth is undocumented. Yes.
TracerBullet
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and that is of course a lie.
The handful of psychologist wanting to keep homosexuality classed as a mental illness were unable to produce any evidence to support this position. These individuals were specifically asked by the nomenclature committee to present any research they had to support their position and they were asked multiple times. When they came to the nomenclature committee meetings all they did was complain that the potential removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was political and not based on science….even though they couldn’t produce any science themselves. This is in contrast to those rejecting the idea that homosexuality is a mental illness. They were able to produce a significant amount of data and research showing that it is not a mental illness.
As an interesting side not the same people complaining about how removing homosexuality from the DSM was political and absent of science turned around and played politics (and rejected the scientific method) by using an obscure by-law rule to forc the APA membership to vote on it.
No things haven't changes. Forty years after the removal of homosexuality from the DSM there is still not once scrap of evidence to suggest that it is a mental illness.
to bad no one is actually speculating this.
No one here would try to stop you from going
TracerBullet
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I'm being silent here? :chuckle:
musterion
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What evidence do you want from me that you think I run away from providing.
They redefined what a mental illness was and asked them to prove it was a mental illness :doh:
Jesus Christ, this is why those such as yourselves can't ever understand the reality of these things. Everything you've posted is a revision of what happened- after the fact of the supporters revision.
They had no evidence that is was natural, they just moved the goal post.
TracerBullet
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No, I’m saying your claim is bologna and that you have zero evidence to back it up.
it involves chainsaws and hungry wolverines
i don't think you're old enough to learn about it
TracerBullet
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False. the definition of mental illness remained the saem. what was asked for, from both sides, was evidence.
Only one side produced any.
Evidence?
The nomenclature committee activities and all activities regarding the removal of homosexuality from the DSM are public record
dihonesty on your part here. THere is no evidnece that homosexuality is a mental illness
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The context changed. The central speculation of it's cause currently circulating is a freaking disease by literal definition :doh:
:shocked:
TracerBullet
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the point is that it doesn't work.
As for techniques the therapies often include having the patient identify a problem in their relationship with their father. If they don’t then the relationships with any other male relative or even acquaintance is explored until some form of relationship problem can be identified. This relationship problem is defined as "an incomplete bond and resultant identification with the same-sex parent.”
Ref: Nicolosi, J. Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality: A New Clinical Approach, Northvale, NJ: Aronson, 1991
It isn’t based on any research and those engaging in this cannot define just what an incomplete bond is.
Nudity in front of the individual that the client has the troubled relationship with is encouraged as is “cuddling” If the father is unavailable then a substitute male is used for this.
It is encouraged that female minors shower with their father.
Electrodes may be placed on the client’s genitals in order to provide painful shocks when the client is exposed to gay themed images.
Ref: Shidlo, A.; Schroeder, M.; Drescher, J. eds. Sexual conversion therapy: ethical, clinical, and research perspectives 2011
“Hold therapy” is almost exclusively done with children. The child is physically restrained while the therapist screams at them and encourages the child’s parents to express their hatred and disgust for the child. There have been some reports of parents being encouraged to hit, slap or kick the child. This will continue until the child admits that they are hurting their family and that they hate themselves for being gay.
Ref: Bright, C. "Deconstructing Reparative Therapy: An Examination of the Processes Involved When Attempting to Change Sexual Orientation. 2004
Other methods include sedation, isolation, sensory deprivation, physical restraints and hypnosis
just 'cause it dint work on you doesn't mean it doesn't work at all
Dialogos
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It is, however, clearly an abominable practice that is clearly condemned by the bible.
It's funny to see you so actively participating in this thread after you ran away like a coward from my question.
Maybe you'll grow a spine and answer it here...?
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Yes or no, does the following passage condemn homosexuality or not?
“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”
(Lev 20:13 ESV)
:sozo:YES OR NO! DOES THIS PASSAGE CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALITY?
Jedidiah
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So is using Zyklon B on people, for that matter.
Jedidiah
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You literally know zero LGBTQ's personally, don't you. This is all just academic theory for you isn't it.