Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
‘Dozens’ of House Members to Challenge Electoral College Results, Rep. Brooks Says
And as we know, all it takes is 1 Senator to decertify the EC vote, and there'll be more than 1 --you can count on it.
Objecting to Electors Will Allow Trump to Air Vote Fraud Allegations
- Thread starter Trump Gurl
- Start date
And as we know, all it takes is 1 Senator to decertify the EC vote, and there'll be more than 1 --you can count on it.
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
Last edited:
expos4ever
Well-known member
This is misleading. Yes, I implied (nay, directly asserted) that you were engaging in conspiracy-theory thinking. If you had offered an evidence-based explanation for your position that the judges are "corrupt", then you would be able to justifiably object. Obviously judges can be corrupt. But surely you must realize how decidedly suspicious it will seem to a neutral reader that you simply claim these particular judges are corrupt. Basically, you are trying to baldly assert something that will buttress your position - namely that these judges were corrupt. But we need evidence.
Nothing I have written justifies your attributing to me the belief that "all court decisions" are Holy Writ. Let's recap what is going on here:
1. You have claimed the election was stolen - a claim that would entail significant systemic fraud.
2. I challenged that claim by stating a clear truth - the courts have rejected all (or virtually all) such claims.
3. Yes, implicit in my claim (2) is a general faith in the legitimacy of the courts. And yes, if the courts are indeed corrupt, then my objection fails.
4. However, and this is absolutely critical, even if my objection fails, you still have not provided evidence (at least in this exchange) that the election was stolen. And I think we both know how that will play out anyway - you will cite non-credible claims that are easily shot down.
5. In any event, it is a priori exceedingly implausible that, in the United States, there is widespread, system corruption in the courts.
And, obviously, nothing I have written would put me in a position of difficulty relative to your second question.
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
Wrong. Totally wrong. For someone who claims to be an Ivy League graduate you sure are ignorant about a whole lot of things.
In fact, these days, campaign strategists are able to pinpoint down to just a few districts in a couple of states how to swing an entire election. There are some states that are a given that will go blue and are some that are a given that will go red. There are swing states, and then there are those swing states that can sometimes come down to a few precincts. This is how campaigns have learned to target their advertising dollars and their campaign efforts
Well, this is how the cheaters also directed their efforts. They knew well in advance those small few handful of districts that needed to cheat in order to win. This has been the subject of many news stories which you know if your head was not stuck fake news all the time - and yes, I know that it is because I know your kind.
This was a well thought-out surgical operation based on the type of pinpoint polling information that has been available to campaigns for the last several elections
Last edited:
expos4ever
Well-known member
All right, let's take these one at a time.
First, the stuff about "zealotry'. You appear to be arguing that judges are motivated to reject legitimate claims of fraud because to judge that there was fraud would make the judge appear to be a zealot.
How? How does agreeing that there is evidence of fraud make one a "zealot"?
I will take a guess at the angle you are taking. You are taking advantage of the following dynamic:
1. Donald Trump, and by extension his supporters, are widely held to be purveyors of lies and conspiracy theories. Whether you believe Trump and his followers lie is not the point - the point is that this view of Trump and his followers is widely held.
2. This would strongly motivate a judge to reject any pro-Trump claim, even a true one about election fraud. Why? Because to accept such a claim would seem to many Americans to entail jumping on the Trump bandwagon of deception.
In essence, you are using an embarrassing truth about Trump and his followers - a well-earned low credibility - to try to spin this your way.
You are right in a sense: given the dreadful cred of Trump and his followers, a judge would indeed be looked upon askance were that judge to find favour with a claim of election fraud. But surely you see the problem with this: you are effectively trying to say that for a judge to agree with Trump is to cast his (the judge's) lot in with a man who is widely believed to be a liar. And that this poisons their objectivity. Well, maybe so, but without evidence, this is just speculation.
But there is a perverse truth to this line of reasoning - Trump is viewed so negatively that, yes, persons with reputations to consider will not want to be seen as in his camp.
I will take up the abortion thing in another post.
expos4ever
Well-known member
You seem to be arguing that any judge who supports abortion is not to be trusted with other judgments. This is not a reasonable position precisely because the status of the fetus is sufficiently unclear as to render the abortion question very difficult to resolve. No doubt, we will disagree on this, but I am not motivated to take the abortion question any further.
expos4ever
Well-known member
I assure you, I am indeed an Ivy League college grad. Now to your "argument":
You are, of course, correct, that a surgical operation of the type you describe could swing a result in one state. But where is your evidence that there has been such an operation? Besides, there would need to be multiple such operations in a number of states to make a difference. So how have you rescued yourself from having to say that there has been systematic election fraud?
Surely, you cannot believe a neutral reader with even a couple of neurons to rub together will not realize that there is a yuuuuuge difference between making the case for the possibility of fraud and the fact of fraud.
Is that what "my kind" is? The kind that can actually understand this difference?
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
I guess wherever you went gives that scratch paper called a diploma out to any old dope. You called me a liar when I said the Dems were the party of infanticide and then apparently I shut you up with overwhelming facts. You also could not explain why you, the self ordained Mr. Science, actually denies science (see below). Your posts in this forum are nothing more than the usual leftist tripe. You are a boob.
You are either a liar about being an "Ivy League college grad" (I though they were universities, not colleges) or you deserve a refund.
Well, at least the senior forum liar liked your post. She is a super-duper Pedophile Biden fan.
Sure it is. Any normally intelligent person knows that the Roe v. Wade decision is a farce, a slap in the face to the most basic constitutional rights and also a crappily worded piece of trash. Any judge who does not understand basic human rights or the Constitution should not be a judge, and only a judge who does not understand basic human rights or the Constitution could support abortion.
exminister
Well-known member
The evidence of fraud is underwhelming. So much so Trump lost 60 court cases. He campaign (your dollars, not his, of course) paid millions for a recount and he still lost. He lost at least 5 recounts. His Supreme Court justices have not spoken out and you think they would know. His Attorney General, who bows to him, said that any fraud would never change the result. The Vice President called his lawyers off trying to corrupt the government. His personal lawyer told the judge this is not a fraud case. If his own party and his own lawyers cannot present any legit evidence to convince judges,who are Trump supporters, the answer is clear. He lost.
Trump has been and always will be a loser. He has no dignity. Trump only knows to assert things. He is a lazy man and won’t do the necessary work. He expects others to do the heavy lifting and has lied about COVID thinking it would go away on its own this summer. He lied about having a better healthcare plan saying on multiple occasions it will come out in 2 weeks. It has been 4 years and nothing. He has distracted the country, divided us, putting us in a bad situation with COVID and this farce of election fraud allowed Russia to come through the back door and hack many government agencies. His focus has always been wrong. He uses good hearted people like you to do his bidding and I think it is an awful abuse to millions of his supporters.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
There there now let it all out. Have yourself a nice little tantrum and you'll feel better later.
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
Right. The billionaire who became a real estate tycoon, then a tv star, and then a president, hot model for a wife, and everything life could ask for. He is a loser. Yah, right.
If he is a loser then you are a . . . . . . . I better not use the word I am thinking of.
Gee, what a loser. LOL
Yes.
The thing is- you and I will never understand- until we drink the Kool Aid.
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
Both of you drank the KoolAid, the Stupid flavor, and you're hooked.
It needs to be restated over and over again:
Democrats are people who burn down cities, murder cops, terrorize neighborhoods, have roving Nazi brownshirts (BLM and Antifa), shut down churches, impose Nazi curfews, and so much more. Do any of you think for a moment that a little thing like election fraud bothers them? Lying about an election is peanuts compared to the crimes against humanity they happily commit.
I have said it before:
Democrats are the party of infanticide, socialism, government control, smashing Free Speech rights, giving free stuff to illegal aliens, and now they are the party of mobs in the streets burning and destroying cities. See the burning cities and torn down statues, and you see the democrat party world. Mobs.
Republicans are the party of Traditional Values, Liberty and freedom. Donald Trump gave us the lowest unemployment rates since John F Kennedy until the virus hit, and now Democrats are trying to keep the virus going because they are so evil they are happy to destroy the economy simply to defeat Trump. That’s right. Masks and continued shutdowns are a joke, based totally on fear. There is a 0.04 death rate for Corona. People have more chance of dying from the Flu.
A totalitarian socialist state of mobs is what the Democrats offer, and liberty and freedom and jobs-not-mobs is what Trump offers.
And I can provide a link to prove each claim in this post.
exminister
Well-known member
You are not taking into account his 6 bankruptcies which we know one cost the American taxpayers almost 1 billion dollars. Who loses money owning casinos? You don’t account for his Daddy giving him millions and even buying casinos chips uncashed to try and save his soon to be failed casino. You don’t account his multiple failed businesses. His many court cases and threatening court cases so he didn’t have to pay contractors. His failed attempts to get loans from US Banks because he was a major credit risk. His going abroad for loans with suspect conditions.
He is rich not because he is a good businessman. He just knows how to use and abuse. He claimed he was a billionaire but won’t show his taxes to prove it. I think many have bought his unsubstantiated lies about his wealth. He has gotten lucky in his life as grifters do. If he wasn’t so amoral maybe he could have not divided this country so horribly where we think the worst of each other.
So having a gold digger model wife who has posed nude is a measure of success?