NRA feeling optimistic

[Nihilo]

I'm not as optimistic. This article talks about some targets for the NRA. I agree with national CCW reciprocity (same thing as drivers license reciprocity), and loosing the restrictions on silencers (more technically suppressors). Not mentioned in the article, is overturning the federal ban on civilian ownership of modern machine guns, which I don't believe the NRA wants to touch with a 10-foot pole, but I personally would prefer it. I'd also like to see the NRA push for a serious ban on "mouse guns" (handguns that easily fit in your pocket), which are used disproportionately in armed crimes and suicides, and are more likely to be involved in negligent discharges, especially by children.

 

[patrick jane]

aCW can't sleep since the election !! :rotfl:

 

[Crucible]

aCW's Trump

 

[Danoh]

aCW can't sleep since the election !! :rotfl:

Only sheep sleep while a wolf is on the prowl.

 

[Nihilo]

I'd also like to see the NRA push for a serious ban on "mouse guns" (handguns that easily fit in your pocket), which are used disproportionately in armed crimes and suicides, and are more likely to be involved in negligent discharges, especially by children.

Mouse guns are also unprotected by the Second Amendment, as far as I understand SCOTUS rulings. Mouse guns have somewhere between almost none and absolutely zero military value, which puts them outside the bounds of the protections intended by the Second, according to my reading of SCOTUS rulings.

If my reading is correct, then IMO it would be politically expedient of the NRA to loudly pursue some very severe restrictions, up to and including the possible complete retroactive (no "grandfather" exclusion clauses, except for bona fide collectors) civilian banning and confiscation of these devices.

It's not the NRA who allows these guns to be bought and sold, but our government. The NRA can bolster its position as the loudest voice for firearm safety in the country, by pursuing government restriction of these so-called mouse guns.

'For the children. Think of the children.

 

[Crucible]

Take away mouse guns and robbers will just invest more in bigger ones. It's just as easy to obtain either/or, and I'd like to see a statistic honestly because every dubious armed person I've ever come across isn't carrying a 'mouse pistol'. I grew up in these type of areas.

Stop being retarded- shouldn't gun control advocates be concerned with actual killing machines rather than pea shooters

And
The defense for having silencers is sorry.
I'm all for such things, but I mean come on now- be honest, it ain't about 'noise pollution' :chuckle:
They are made for one thing, and one thing only: discreetly killing people. One should stick to the resisting tyranny argument.

 

[Nihilo]

actual killing machines rather than pea shooters

Mouse guns are actual killing machines. A peashooter to a M1 Abrams tank; not to an unarmored human being at close range. E.g., suicides, armed crime (stickups), and children accidentally finding one of these toy-like objects (in their appearance).

 

[Nihilo]

The defense for having silencers is sorry.
I'm all for such things, but I mean come on now- be honest, it ain't about 'noise pollution' :chuckle:
They are made for one thing, and one thing only: discreetly killing people. One should stick to the resisting tyranny argument.

Like exhaust mufflers do for internal combustion engine noise, the very loud banging is suppressed by silencers. If car mufflers were treated like suppressors, everybody's ride would be LOUD. Your "discreetly killing people" hysterical comment is borne from watching too many mob movies.

 

[Nihilo]

Like exhaust mufflers do for internal combustion engine noise, the very loud banging is suppressed by silencers. If car mufflers were treated like suppressors, everybody's ride would be LOUD. Your "discreetly killing people" hysterical comment is borne from watching too many mob movies.

All we want to do is not be treated like murderers-in-waiting, and not have to wear hearing protection when we practice or shoot recreationally.

 

[Crucible]

Like exhaust mufflers do for internal combustion engine noise, the very loud banging is suppressed by silencers. If car mufflers were treated like suppressors, everybody's ride would be LOUD. Your "discreetly killing people" hysterical comment is borne from watching too many mob movies.

I've never seen anyone hunt with a silencer. In fact, there's only two things I see civilians do with them:

1) demonstrate what silencers are like
2) guy with a bandana around his face pointing one at a camera

Their primary usage is among military specialists, to keep enemies a mile away from knowing they are coming.

You're the one that's funny.

 

[Nihilo]

Their primary usage is among military specialists, to keep enemies a mile away from knowing they are coming.

I don't know that subsonic rifle ammunition is too accurate at a mile out, but whatever.

 

[Nihilo]

You're the one that's funny.

That's not what I meant by "hysterical." But again, whatever.

 

[Crucible]

I don't know that subsonic rifle ammunition is too accurate at a mile out, but whatever.

You didn't understand what I was saying, but whatever

I fail to see how attaching something that lowers recoil and makes one generally more accurate is good for practice.

Look, all I'm saying is gun advocates need to just stick to the actual reason the right to bear arms was amended in the first place- to resist tyranny.
As soon as people stop emphasizing on that and make it about something else, the more gun control advocates have to blow their whistles about.

 

[Nihilo]

You didn't understand what I was saying, but whatever

Yes I did actually, but whatever.

I fail to see how attaching something that lowers recoil and makes one generally more accurate is good for practice.

You fail to see how not having to stick little things down your ear canals or not having to wear bulky things over your ear canals is better than having to do so?

Look, all I'm saying is gun advocates need to just stick to the actual reason the right to bear arms was amended in the first place- to resist tyranny.

Look, we've got right now in January a red-R Washington D.C. for the first time in a while, and as the OP link mentioned, the NRA has been playing defense for just as long. Now's the time to diverge and not converge. Get all the ideas out there and get some wins. You're concerned with SCOTUS justices, and that's fine. In the meantime, there's nothing wrong with wanting silencers/suppressors off the hysterical left's list of demon possessed objects.

As soon as people stop emphasizing on that and make it about something else, the more gun control advocates have to blow their whistles about.

You think that talking about resisting tyranny's a good way to win friends and influence people in the anti-gun brigade? They immediately dismiss you as whacked, and that's just the way they are.

 

[Crucible]

Yes I did actually, but whatever.

If you come across an enemy on your way to a target, you can take that enemy out without alerting your target further up.
That's what I was saying, and so you didn't get what I was saying :thumb:

You think that talking about resisting tyranny's a good way to win friends and influence people in the anti-gun brigade? They immediately dismiss you as whacked, and that's just the way they are.

Not to anyone who knows how to argue it. If you come off as a paranoid nut, they are going to project their bias right on that.

Resisting tyranny is, at first, about protection from corrupt law enforcement and political dissidents. Only in military forces getting involved does it become something so mighty as waging a civil war- and when a person goes immediately to that extreme argument it's easy for a leftist idiot to mock it- that's what they do. They're merely mockers.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I could start a thread that deals with the hypocrisy and the often times left wing politics of the National Rifle Association (such as seriously considering endorsing Harry Reid for the Senate and it's hypocrisy on Hollywood gun violence: http://www.politico.com/story/2010/07/nra-on-firing-line-over-reid-039340 http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederi...sy-about-hollywood-gun-violence/#3b4cb18c6ed2 )

but I'll just say this:

NRA members aren't very bright when it comes to politics, i.e. voting for frauds like Donald Trump.

 

[Tambora]

I'd also like to see the NRA push for a serious ban on "mouse guns" (handguns that easily fit in your pocket),

Nah.
Needs to fit in my purse.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Well it's the old story——today, if you want to be a control freak about some item, say baseball bats which ae used in many physical violent acts———-

you may put a limit on the length, except those used in pro baseball——

put a restriction on the hard wood used in bats used by non professional

may require registration of baseball bats at the Sports Store

All children using baseball bats that are under 13 must have adult supervisors...

While I think I know where you were going with this post, plain and simply put: Owning a baseball bat isn't a God-given Constitutional Right, owning a firearm is.

 

[Nihilo]

Nah.
Needs to fit in my purse.

Instead of national reciprocity of CCW permits, the NRA should lobby for doing away with concealed carry permitting and licensure entirely. The NRA should lobby for federal law modeled after Bernie Sanders' home state of Vermont, and the equally peaceful Alaska, where there are no regulations of the carrying of firearms, either openly or concealed.

 

[Nihilo]

Nothing wrong with mouse guns.

I'm not making a moral argument. They're dangerous guns, and they collectively have no redeeming military value, not a military on earth uses mouse guns for anything, and that puts mouse guns outside of the Second Amendment's protections, according to SCOTUS. There is nothing wrong with mouse guns, but there might be something wrong with not outlawing them, since they kill so many suicide victims, victims of violent crime, and victims of negligent discharges. Victims that in a world with no legal mouse guns, probably live.