The fact that it's a thing that they wanted, and we gave it to them without extracting a price. So, a dictionary.
North Korea nuclear program accelerating
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The fact that it's a thing that they wanted, and we gave it to them without extracting a price. So, a dictionary.
drbrumley
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Pretty much sums up how I feel right now.
So what did the summit accomplish?
First and foremost: it took place. For the first time, an American president and a North Korean leader sat at the same table and talked. The precedent – loathed and denounced by our War Party – means that this frozen conflict is slated to rapidly thaw.
Secondly, contra the nattering nabobs of negativity, the North Koreans are clearly committed to denuclearization: it is bluntly stated in the joint communiqué signed by both Trump and Kim. Critics are noting the lack of specifics, but that is for the diplomats to iron out: agreement on fundamentals is the natural prerequisite to a binding agreement.
Thirdly, the North Koreans made a number of concessions before the summit even began: they stopped testing nukes, they stopped testing ballistic missiles, they withdrew their opposition to the presence of US troops in South Korea, and they released three American citizens who had been held in captivity. Trump, for his part, ended the military “exercises” that take place annually on the peninsula, and said he’d like to withdraw US troops from the South.
The War Party is horrified: one of their most stable and longstanding scams is in danger of being brought to a well-deserved end: just think of all the economic and political interests that have a stake in maintaining this relic of the cold war. They’re all being threatened now, and that accounts for the chorus of outrage that has greeted the Korean summit.
Singapore Summit: A Victory for Peace
A stinging defeat for the War Party
by Justin Raimondo
Posted on
June 14, 2018
So what did the summit accomplish?
First and foremost: it took place. For the first time, an American president and a North Korean leader sat at the same table and talked. The precedent – loathed and denounced by our War Party – means that this frozen conflict is slated to rapidly thaw.
Secondly, contra the nattering nabobs of negativity, the North Koreans are clearly committed to denuclearization: it is bluntly stated in the joint communiqué signed by both Trump and Kim. Critics are noting the lack of specifics, but that is for the diplomats to iron out: agreement on fundamentals is the natural prerequisite to a binding agreement.
Thirdly, the North Koreans made a number of concessions before the summit even began: they stopped testing nukes, they stopped testing ballistic missiles, they withdrew their opposition to the presence of US troops in South Korea, and they released three American citizens who had been held in captivity. Trump, for his part, ended the military “exercises” that take place annually on the peninsula, and said he’d like to withdraw US troops from the South.
The War Party is horrified: one of their most stable and longstanding scams is in danger of being brought to a well-deserved end: just think of all the economic and political interests that have a stake in maintaining this relic of the cold war. They’re all being threatened now, and that accounts for the chorus of outrage that has greeted the Korean summit.
Singapore Summit: A Victory for Peace
A stinging defeat for the War Party
by Justin Raimondo
Posted on
June 14, 2018
I keep coming back to, why does it keep helping Putin? I think it was just the pretext he needed to drop the military drills.
But you're right, his base seems to be in for the whole ride.
drbrumley
Well-known member
And your'e saying we didnt want it?
This really is breathtaking, doc, I'm sorry. It's just about the most credulous thing I've ever read.
Oh, he's committed to denuclearization? He said so? He wrote it on a piece of paper and signed it? Golly gee, that must mean he's serious. Unlike, you know, the last couple dozen times. Leave it to the diplomats? With what leverage? We've already given it away.
Come on Doc, you can't be this naive. North Korea has been committed to denuclearization for decades, on paper. And yet they keep making progress on their bomb.
It's great to be for peace. But this "War Party" stuff really overlooks a pretty obvious problem: If you are serious about wanting North Korea to give up its nukes, you have to use the strength that you have to force them to do so. That can be military strength. It can be economic strength. It can be diplomatic strength. But you can't just give them everything they want with no preconditions, or else you aren't really committed to the stated goal.
That's not really the point. If I sell you a car, I am probably selling it because I want rid of it. That doesn't mean I'm going to say "Please take it, you barely have to pay me."
It would be lovely not to have to spend the money on the drills, but then, doing so shows our commitment to defend our ally in the face of considerable firepower aimed at their heads.
drbrumley
Well-known member
You're right, your post is breathtaking.
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
How about a "pretty please"?
Just as he begged the prior President of Mexico to agree to "pay for The Wall" so that he, Trump, would not look like the fraud of a negotiator he had been his entire business life prior his drones coning themselves into following his pied piper con job down to the swamp with him.