By "explained" B57 means that he's boldly stated the claim that his INTERPRETATION of the bible is the correct one.Already explained my point ! Man naturally can not come to Christ which means he cant naturally believe in Him Jn 6:44,65
By "explained" B57 means that he's boldly stated the claim that his INTERPRETATION of the bible is the correct one.Already explained my point ! Man naturally can not come to Christ which means he cant naturally believe in Him Jn 6:44,65
Already explained my point!
Man naturally can not come to Christ
which means he cant naturally believe in Him Jn 6:44,65
God is smart enough to know who will believe. Ie, God chooses those who believe,Those being drawn are the Elect of God/The Sheep, they have been made alive Spiritually, drawing implies that. So again man cannot come to Christ which means he cannot believe in Christ, that fact shows how false the notion of mans freewill is in Salvation, its a Myth.
Already explained, man naturally cant come to Christ. Jn 6:44 65 , so if a when he does come to Christ its by Divine Intervention and hes no longer a natural man, He s a Spiritually alive man.Constantly restating your position is not "explaining your point."
DUH, but he CAN after the Father calls him, per John 6:44, 65.
He can after the Father calls him, as per the above verses.
Those who believe had been chosen/ ordained to eternal life previously by God Acts 13:48God is smart enough to know who will believe. Ie, God chooses those who believe,
Already explained,
man naturally cant come to Christ.
Jn 6:44 65
so if a[nd] when he does come to Christ its by Divine Intervention and hes no longer a natural man, He s a Spiritually alive man.
Sure I have explained it, you ignored it !You haven't explained anything.
Man can come to Christ after the Father calls him.
Can you at least acknowledge that point, B57?
You should stop citing those verses since you don't believe what they say anyways.
Chapter verse that says that "divine intervention" guarantees that he is no longer a natural man.
Chapter verse that says when the Father calls someone, it changes them into a "spiritually alive man."
Sure I have explained it, you ignored it !
I acknowledge that no man naturally can come to Christ which means he cant believe in Christ It takes a Sovereign Work of God.I have ignored nothing that you have said.
Yet here you are, ignoring my entire points, to the point where you're even denying what the scripture plainly says.
Hypocrite, first cast out the beam from your own eye, so that you may see clearly to remove the mote from your brother's eye.
Man can come to Christ after the Father calls him.
Can you at least acknowledge that point, B57?
I acknowledge that no man naturally can come to Christ which means he cant believe in Christ It takes a Sovereign Work of God.
Yeah because hes a new creature, no more a natural man, coming by the power of God. Phil 2:13Do you acknowledge that a man can come to Christ AFTER the Father calls him, as per John 6:44, 65?
I personally don't believe in free-will because it is nowhere in the Bible.Yeah because hes a new creature, no more a natural man, coming by the power of God. Phil 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Its twofold, the natural mans will isnt free from the slavery/servitude of sin/unbelief and mans will isnt free from the Sovereign control of God.I personally don't believe in free-will because it is nowhere in the Bible.
What is your definition of free-will?
I don't have a definition for free-will. I try not to use made-up words.Its twofold, the natural mans will isnt free from the slavery/servitude of sin/unbelief and mans will isnt free from the Sovereign control of God.
What about you ?
Man Im through with this !I don't have a definition for free-will. I try not to use made-up words.
You didn't define what free-will was yourself. Is it because you don't have a definition for it? If so, why do you keep on using the word? And why are you so opposed to something you can't define?
You promise?Man Im through with this !
Yeah because hes a new creature, no more a natural man, coming by the power of God.
Phil 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Its twofold, the natural mans will isnt free from the slavery/servitude of sin/unbelief and mans will isnt free from the Sovereign control of God.
What about you ?
I never said that, the drawing of the Father is the Power of God in the New Birth. Its the Work of the Spirit. The natural man cant come to Christ Jn 6:44,65 Phil 2:13 is specifying how one became a believer, its by Gods working in them to will and to do of Gods good pleasure.Chapter verse that says that the Father's calling of someone changes them into a new creature.
This verse is talking about AFTER someone becomes a believer, how God works through them. It is not talking about the point of salvation.
I never said that,
if a when he does come to Christ its by Divine Intervention and hes no longer a natural man, He s a Spiritually alive man.
When they are drawn, they are new creatures.
the drawing of the Father is the Power of God in the New Birth. Its the Work of the Spirit.
The natural man cant come to Christ Jn 6:44,65
Phil 2:13 is specifying how one became a believer,
its by Gods working in them to will and to do of Gods good pleasure.
The word draw denotes a inward power impelling helkō:
metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel
In the Day of Gods Power the people are made willing Ps 110:3
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
God causes men to approach Ps 65:4
4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.