No Death Penalty. What Is Your Position?

[ok doser]

Huh? I do not even know what you just said.

The vast majority of murders in the US are young black men murdering other young black men - a phenomenon that exists in no European country, which makes comparisons between the US and European countries spurious at best and intentionally dishonest at worst

 

[Rusha]

What good does it accomplish, even if with 100% proof of guilt?

A dead murderer cannot reoffend.

 

[glassjester]

A dead murderer cannot reoffend.

Neither can a properly confined one.

 

[Rusha]

Neither can a properly confined one.

Properly does not equate to 100 percent.

 

[glassjester]

Properly does not equate to 100 percent.

Then that's an argument for better prisons. Not an argument for killing.

 

[Rusha]

Then that's an argument for better prisons. Not an argument for killing.

No. There is no good reason to give heinous criminals the opportunity to reoffend.

Example: Larry Singleton.

 

[ok doser]

Neither can a properly confined one.

Define "properly confined"

 

[glassjester]

Define "properly confined"

Physically prevented from attacking anyone.

 

[Rusha]

Physically prevented from attacking anyone.

They can attack prison personnel, escape ... OR if released, go on to murder again.

 

[glassjester]

No. There is no good reason to give heinous criminals the opportunity to reoffend.

Example: Larry Singleton.

I agree.

 

[glassjester]

They can attack prison personnel, escape ... OR if released, go on to murder again.

Again, this is an argument for better prisons - not an argument for killing.

 

[Rusha]

Again, this is an argument for better prisons - not an argument for killing.

There is no better defense against a murderer than obliterating their ability to do harm. The DP is the only response that would achieve that goal.

 

[glassjester]

There is no better defense against a murderer than obliterating their ability to do harm. The DP is the only response that would achieve that goal.

Same could be said for any crime. Heck, we could end all crime by executing all people right now. Should we do it?

 

[ok doser]

Same could be said for any crime. Heck, we could end all crime by executing all people right now. Should we do it?

would that serve justice?

 

[ok doser]

Physically prevented from attacking anyone.

by what means?

execution seems to me to be the best one

 

[glassjester]

would that serve justice?

Nope. Neither does killing a man to prevent a future crime he may or may not commit.

 

[ok doser]

Nope. Neither does killing a man to prevent a future crime he may or may not commit.

that's not the primary reason you kill him - you execute him through a judicial process to serve justice

preventing a known murderer from having the opportunity to murder again is just a bonus :banana:

 

[glassjester]

that's not the primary reason you kill him - you execute him through a judicial process to serve justice

preventing a known murderer from having the opportunity to murder again is just a bonus :banana:

Ah, I see that was Rusha's argument for it - not yours.

As for the justice argument, are you saying the death penalty is the only just punishment for a murderer? And why so? Why wouldn't life imprisonment be a just punishment?

 

[ok doser]

Imprisonment is not of God's Law, and is thus inherently unjust

 

[glassjester]

Imprisonment is not of God's Law, and is thus inherently unjust

Then you're against imprisonment for any crime?