ECT Musterion is typically mistaken

[Jerry Shugart]

All forms of Dispensationalism, A2D, MAD, Acts 28, etc have the same roots, and that's the demarcation line between Israel and the church, the secret parenthetical church age, the rapture, the 7 year trib, and the millennium.

Only the blind cannot see the difference between Israel and the Body of Christ. The Scriptures reveal that when the nation of Israel was in a covenant relationship with the LORD the children of Israel were a special people unto Him:

"For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut.7:6).​

On the other hand, during the Church age there are no special people unto the LORD except for believers and in the Body of Christ there is no distinction between the Jews and those of other nationalities:

"And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all" (Col.3:10-11).​

In his comments on these verses Norman L. Geisler writes the following:

"In Christ distinctions are removed. These include national distinctions (Greek or Jew...); religious distinctions (circumcised or uncircumcised)..." (Norman L. Geisler, "Colossians," in The Bible Knowledge Commentary; New Testament ed. John F. Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck [Colorado Springs: ChariotVictor Publishing, 1983], 681).

These facts serve to prove that when the LORD's program for Israel is in view then that program cannot be about the Body of Christ because His two different programs are mutually exclusive.

Tet, open your eyes and you will see that there is a clear demarcation line between Israel and the church. Otherwise, you will continue to be totally confused.

 

[musterion]

Almost two years later, and you're even more confused.

Spare us your cowardly non-argument sarcasm. Make a case; don't hide behind false wit.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Almost two years later, and you're even more confused.

You're still here? I thought they called you back to your 'main planetary base,' eons ago?

 

[john w]

You're still here? I thought they called you back to your 'main planetary base,' eons ago?

I hear he's been "dating" a Pittsburgh Steeler, being the sports"man" idolator that he is.

 

[DAN P]

Only the blind cannot see the difference between Israel and the Body of Christ. The Scriptures reveal that when the nation of Israel was in a covenant relationship with the LORD the children of Israel were a special people unto Him:

"For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut.7:6).​

On the other hand, during the Church age there are no special people unto the LORD except for believers and in the Body of Christ there is no distinction between the Jews and those of other nationalities:

"And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all" (Col.3:10-11).​

In his comments on these verses Norman L. Geisler writes the following:

"In Christ distinctions are removed. These include national distinctions (Greek or Jew...); religious distinctions (circumcised or uncircumcised)..." (Norman L. Geisler, "Colossians," in The Bible Knowledge Commentary; New Testament ed. John F. Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck [Colorado Springs: ChariotVictor Publishing, 1983], 681).

These facts serve to prove that when the LORD's program for Israel is in view then that program cannot be about the Body of Christ because His two different programs are mutually exclusive.

Tet, open your eyes and you will see that there is a clear demarcation line between Israel and the church. Otherwise, you will continue to be totally confused.

Hi Jerry and in Gal 3:28 there are 4 verbs in that verse , all in the Greek PRESENT TENSE !!

In Col 3:11 , that is only one verb THERE IS NEITHER ,ENI plus OU in the Present tense and means the same as Gal 3:28 , no Jews or GENTILES !!

But there is one more difference !!

Gal 3:28 begins with Jews nor Gentiles !!

Col 3:11 begins with No GENTILES not Jews !!

That is because after Acts Israel has been set aside and THAT now the message shifts to

The Preaching of the Dispensation of the Grace of God , Col 1:25 and 26 and Rom 16:25 and 26 and Eph 3:1-9 !!

dan p

 

[Danoh]

Hi Jerry and in Gal 3:28 there are 4 verbs in that verse , all in the Greek PRESENT TENSE !!

In Col 3:11 , that is only one verb THERE IS NEITHER ,ENI plus OU in the Present tense and means the same as Gal 3:28 , no Jews or GENTILES !!

But there is one more difference !!

Gal 3:28 begins with Jews nor Gentiles !!

Col 3:11 begins with No GENTILES not Jews !!

That is because after Acts Israel has been set aside and THAT now the message shifts to

The Preaching of the Dispensation of the Grace of God , Col 1:25 and 26 and Rom 16:25 and 26 and Eph 3:1-9 !!

dan p

Israel AS A NATION is TEMPORARILY set aside by God in His Wrath ONCE MORE at the end of Acts 7 as having continued in the Uncircumcision of their forefathers, and thus "heathen" like the Gentiles, see also, Romans 1:18-3:20, and also, 1 Thessalonians 2 and parts of Romans 9-11.

Paul also reiterates that is the case, three times in Acts (Acts 13; Acts 18; and Acts 28).

While INDIVIDUAL Israelites have NEVER been set aside, see the end of Romans 3 and part of Romans 4, and parts of Romans 9-11.

And as with that FIRST INDIVIDUAL Israelite in the Body - Paul - there are INDIVIDUAL Israelites in the Body to this very day.

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Acts 17: 11, 12.
Rom. 5: 6-8