Mueller turns up the heat on impeachment

[annabenedetti]

LOL.... So, being opposed to a politically motivated one-sided witch hunt of either of the two large political parties is being a "polarized partisan"? Interesting definition of partisanship.

Anyone without a dog in the hunt would read your screed as poisonously partisan while opining on polarization.

Not that it's unusual for these political times, but it certainly isn't conducive to any kind of halfway helpful discussion.

BTW, I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I'm registered as an Independent. Both parties are corrupt to their cores. I could not, and would not, be a member of either.

Surprise! I'm registered in CA as NPP (no party preference). You don't have to be a member of our for-all-intents-and-purposes-two-party-system to actively champion one and vociferously despise the other.

 

[Gary K]

Anyone without a dog in the hunt would read your screed as poisonously partisan while opining on polarization.

Not that it's unusual for these political times, but it certainly isn't conducive to any kind of halfway helpful discussion.



Surprise! I'm registered in CA as NPP (no party preference). You don't have to be a member of our for-all-intents-and-purposes-two-party-system to actively champion one and vociferously despise the other.

If you actually read a lot of my posts you would see that I am no easier on the Republicans than I am the Democrats. Corruption is corruption no matter who is guilty of it. And corruption destroys a nation. Ryan and McConnel are corrupt to their core. They said one thing and have done exactly the opposite for a long, long time. I could point to many others too. One such would be Kevin McCarthy who took Ryan's place.

 

[annabenedetti]

If you actually read a lot of my posts you would see that I am no easier on the Republicans than I am the Democrats. Corruption is corruption no matter who is guilty of it. And corruption destroys a nation. Ryan and McConnel are corrupt to their core. They said one thing and have done exactly the opposite for a long, long time. I could point to many others too. One such would be Kevin McCarthy who took Ryan's place.

I haven't been here for awhile. All I'm going on are your posts I'm responding to in the recent days, but my initial thought is why discuss Mueller with you when you won't even spell his name right? Opinions regarding Mueller are mixed in the Democratic camp too, some think his Republican is showing in his overly narrow focus and unwillingness to rock the boat, others praise his devotion to duty and country.

I agree with you that Ryan and McConnell are corrupt, and history will not treat them well. There's a lot I don't agree with you on, too - one thing I wish for and look for is someone who still centers their political values on the values held forth by the Constitution.

 

[annabenedetti]

What the Mueller Report Actually Said
David Frum
May 29, 2019

Robert Mueller has advised Americans to go back and actually read his report if we want to understand what happened in 2016. “We chose those words carefully, and the work speaks for itself,” he said on Wednesday morning, speaking publicly for the first time since his appointment.

But the words of the report are damning.

“The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion,” Mueller wrote. This help “favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”

The Trump campaign “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts,” and it “welcomed” this help.

There is insufficient evidence to accuse the Trump campaign of criminal conspiracy with its Russian benefactors. However, “the social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations coincided with a series of contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government.”

Read Mueller’s first public comments on the Russia investigation

These contacts were covered up by a series of lies, both to the special counsel and to Congress. Lying by the Trump campaign successfully obscured much of what happened in 2016. The special counsel in some cases “was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.” In particular, the investigation never did determine what happened to proprietary Trump-campaign polling data shared with the Russians.

Within hours of the appointment of a special counsel to investigate 2016 events, Trump began defaming him. Trump had already fired the FBI director who investigated these events. His first order to fire the special counsel appointed in the director’s place was issued on June 17, 2017, a month after Mueller’s appointment. That order would be followed by many more. Trump directed his staff to lie about these orders.

Over and above his efforts to fire the special counsel, “the President engaged in a second phase of conduct, involving public attacks on the investigation, non-public efforts to control it, and efforts in both public and private to encourage witnesses not to cooperate with the investigation.”

The subversion of the investigation was brazen. “Many of the President’s acts directed at witnesses, including discouragement of cooperation with the government and suggestions of possible future pardons, occurred in public view.”

​

When are Trump supporters going to face the reality that they cared more about what Trump could do for them than what damage Trump would do to the country?

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

In the sober, restrained tones of a corrupt snowflake school dean, the very corrupt prosecutor went live on national television Wednesday to contradict President Donald Trump's mantra of "total exoneration" in the Russia probe and to tell the country that the responsibility of holding Trump accountable for possible obstruction of justice lays at the feet of Congress because the Department of Justice can't legally charge Trump for lack of evidence.

Fixed that for you, Anna. In a multiple year politically inspired witch hunt, using Trump's political enemies as investigators, Muler (intentional spelling)couldn't find any legal evidence for charging Trump with collusion or any other form of an impeachable crime so now he's claiming impeachment doesn't actually require any crime by a president other than having his political opponents hate and fear him.

Mueller is a hack and a fraud.

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

So, on the one side you have Democrats: Now the murderers of full grown babies after birth, admitted socialists, the promoters of perversions like transgenderism and gay marriage, suppressors of free speech on college campuses, and everything else bad with America.

Then you have Trump, a snarky tweeter to be sure, but a man who has given us the lowest unemployment numbers in 50 years, now up to 3.2 GDP which Obama said was impossible, bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, and was even voted Pro Life person of the year by Operation Rescue.

And we have buffoon and a fool who started this thread who prefers the former and wants to impeach the latter.

Is there any more clear example of blind hate and ignorance, and Trump Derangement Syndrome than that?

 

[Gary K]

I haven't been here for awhile. All I'm going on are your posts I'm responding to in the recent days, but my initial thought is why discuss Mueller with you when you won't even spell his name right? Opinions regarding Mueller are mixed in the Democratic camp too, some think his Republican is showing in his overly narrow focus and unwillingness to rock the boat, others praise his devotion to duty and country.

I agree with you that Ryan and McConnell are corrupt, and history will not treat them well. There's a lot I don't agree with you on, too - one thing I wish for and look for is someone who still centers their political values on the values held forth by the Constitution.

Feel free to point out my supposed opposition to Constitutional values and point to the relevant portion of the Constitution. I much prefer that to unsupported, vague, and meaningless assertions on your part. If you're going to accuse me of something come right out and point out particulars.

 

[annabenedetti]

Feel free to point out my supposed opposition to Constitutional values and point to the relevant portion of the Constitution. I much prefer that to unsupported, vague, and meaningless assertions on your part. If you're going to accuse me of something come right out and point out particulars.

That last wasn't aimed at you personally, poor editing on my part. I should have put a period after "too" and then put the rest in a separate paragraph. I apologize for the unintentional implication.

Now that's cleared up, feel free to respond to any other part of my post.

 

[ok doser]

... the values held forth by the Constitution.

which particular values?

 

[Gary K]

I haven't been here for awhile. All I'm going on are your posts I'm responding to in the recent days, but my initial thought is why discuss Mueller with you when you won't even spell his name right? Opinions regarding Mueller are mixed in the Democratic camp too, some think his Republican is showing in his overly narrow focus and unwillingness to rock the boat, others praise his devotion to duty and country.

I agree with you that Ryan and McConnell are corrupt, and history will not treat them well. There's a lot I don't agree with you on, too - one thing I wish for and look for is someone who still centers their political values on the values held forth by the Constitution.

Muler is so corrupt he deserves zero respect. He has a very long history, decades, of corrupt behavior. He has been a Clinton fixer since he was first appointed by Bill. You don't become a fixer for the most notorious crime family in the US without being irredeemably corrupt yourself. He has intentionally been a part of railroading men into jail for crimes they did not commit. And he then did his best to keep them in jail afterwards. And for what? To protect a criminal. In my eyes Muler is scum of the earth.

 

[annabenedetti]

Muler is so corrupt he deserves zero respect. He has a very long history, decades, of corrupt behavior. He has been a Clinton fixer since he was first appointed by Bill.

Let's start with this: He was acting deputy AG for GW Bush before GW nominated him for FBI director. He's a Republican. How you came to "Clinton fixer" is beyond me, so please provide some evidence for your charge.

You don't become a fixer for the most notorious crime family in the US without being irredeemably corrupt yourself. He has intentionally been a part of railroading men into jail for crimes they did not commit. And he then did his best to keep them in jail afterwards. And for what? To protect a criminal.

He received a purple heart for combat valor in Vietnam, something impossible for our current Cadet Bone Spurs to live up to since Trump repeatedly dodged his draft. Mueller took a stand against GW's enhanced interrogation and warrantless wiretapping. I'm not saying he hasn't made bad or questionable decisions, when you take a stand it often requires going out on a ledge.

Now: who did he railroad and why?

 

[ok doser]

... our current Cadet Bone Spurs to live up to since Trump repeatedly dodged his draft.

:doh:

what's next anna?

planning to mock those with muscular dystrophy who were rejected for service?

 

[annabenedetti]

:doh:

what's next anna?

planning to mock those with muscular dystrophy who were rejected for service?

You know who coined the term? Sen. Tammy Duckworth, who lost both her legs in combat.

As for mocking (real) disabilities, Trump's already taken care of that for you:

 

[ok doser]

You know who coined the term?

i know who used it - you

you're disgraceful

 

[Gary K]

Let's start with this: He was acting deputy AG for GW Bush before GW nominated him for FBI director. He's a Republican. How you came to "Clinton fixer" is beyond me, so please provide some evidence for your charge.



He received a purple heart for combat valor in Vietnam, something impossible for our current Cadet Bone Spurs to live up to since he repeatedly dodged his draft. He took a stand against GW's enhanced interrogation and warrantless wiretapping. I'm not saying he hasn't made bad or questionable decisions, when you take a stand it often requires going out on a ledge.

Now: who did he railroad and why?

Muler has been a deep state operative for a long time. Being republican is no guarantee against it. Do you realize that Paul Ryan was someone used by the Clintons too? He has tight working relationship with the Clinton foundation which is nothing more than a money laundering operation as it has never been a legally constituted charity. None of the fraudulent Clinton "charities" have ever followed the laws concerning charities. Muler was a US prosecutor long before he was appointed by Bush, and he was appointed to that position by Clinton.

A purple heart is not evidence of having a moral character. The mafia worked closely with the US government during WW2 in what was called Operation Husky: the invasion of Italy. Did that make them fine upstanding moral members of society with unimpeachable characters? I can't believe you even made this argument for Muler as it is completely irrelevant to his character. Here's a link to a few other guys who were decorated members of the military. https://listverse.com/2017/07/04/10-infamous-killers-who-were-decorated-servants-of-uncle-sam/ Did their military service make them good guys too? According to your argument with regard to Muler their military awards were evidence of their fine characters. Some of these guys won good conduct medals from the military.

 

[annabenedetti]

i know who used it - you

you're disgraceful

Spare me the feigned outrage...

 

[annabenedetti]

Muler was a US prosecutor long before he was appointed by Bush, and he was appointed to that position by Clinton.

That's stretching. Stretching a bit farther back, he was appointed Acting US Attorney for the District of MA by Reagan in 1986. (And don't forget Bush 41.)

A purple heart is not evidence of having a moral character.

smh... I'll just let that stand there.


Still waiting to find out who he railroaded and why. You've got a lot of allegations, but have offered nothing to support them.

 

[Town Heretic]

That's stretching. Stretching a bit farther back, he was appointed Acting US Attorney for the District of MA by Reagan in 1986. (And don't forget Bush 41.)

:thumb: His credentials are hard to honestly contest, though you can make up all sorts of vague accusations at the drop of a hat, if you have one.

smh... I'll just let that stand there.

The use of veterans by the right is really peculiar. But the alliance is issue/tissue deep.

Still waiting to find out who he railroaded and why.

Get a comfortable chair and a good book.

You've got a lot of allegations, but have offered nothing to support them.

Probably hidden within the archives of the "deep state"...under the flat earth. That sort of thing.

Muller was put in an impossible position, but I think he's made it as clear as he can that Congress needs to step in here.

 

[Gary K]

That's stretching. Stretching a bit farther back, he was appointed Acting US Attorney for the District of MA by Reagan in 1986. (And don't forget Bush 41.)



smh... I'll just let that stand there.


Still waiting to find out who he railroaded and why. You've got a lot of allegations, but have offered nothing to support them.

So, you're the one that made the argument that Muler is a good guy because of his having a purple heart and I demonstrate how foolish that reasoning is, and you claim my reasoning is stupid? I guess honesty isn't one of your better attributes.

Mueller was involved in a case in New York where 3 guys were railroaded into jail because the FBI wanted to protect Whitey Bulger, a mass murderer. Mueller wrote letters saying those guys needed to stay in jail because they were guilty, and he knew they weren't. https://www.newsmax.com/politics/alan-dershowitz-mueller-political-zealot/2018/04/08/id/853235/

 

[Gary K]

Here's more on Muler and his dirty past.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-prison-as-he-was-about-to-out-fbi-officials/

http://www.americanlibertyreport.com/articles/robert-muellers-dirty-past-comes-to-light/