Derf
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Can anyone in this forum explain to me why referring to bizarre arguments after Brain referred to bizarre arguments constitutes "straying off point"? Anyone? Or is this just another of his bizarre arguments?
MTG
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I would be interested in hearing the arguments on both sides. The way the US government has been caught shuffling money through overseas crooks in kickback deals with American politicians and officials I would like to see who in Turkey would actually handle the cash and could that person be trusted to help the people instead of crooks in cahoots.
What was the issue exactly? What were the arguments on both sides?
We cannot answer those questions without knowing why some supported the money transfer and others opposed it. More than 10 billion dollars from donors around the world was pledged to Haiti for earthquake relief in 2010 but Haiti officials claimed only a small fraction of that money ever actually did anything to help the Haitian people. Bill Clinton (who was in charge of the money distributions there at the time) clearly dispersed more than $4 billion but nobody can account for where all that money went.
Why would fiscal conservatives oppose giving money to people in Turkey who may or may not spend the money responsibly? I think we would need to be given assurances our money would not be wasted on crooks overseas like so much of it is being wasted on crooks in America.
Would graft and corruption be possible reasons for not supporting huge transfers of money to autocratic leaders overseas? Who would get the money in a country whose elections are rigged and whose leader is in essence a dictator? Could a foreign dictator be persuaded to kick back money to crooked US politicians if crooked US politicians worked out an underhanded deal to secure funding for them under the guise of disaster relief?
Arthur Brain
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Oh, they were free to vote as they wished if that's what you're referring to but what good reason was there to vote against?
Arthur Brain
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It wasn't on topic and just a cheap bit of trolling on your part. Stick to the argument if possible.
Arthur Brain
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This wasn't about sending money, watch the video. It's only short.
Derf
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How about if I vote to take money away from you and give it to someone else, where the constitution doesn't allow for it?
This isn't exactly the same as your Turkey question (or should that be "your question, Turkey), but it follows a similar train of thought:
Not Yours to Give: Davy Crockett and Welfare
How Davy Crockett learned of the limits placed on the federal government by the U.S. constitution.
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Arthur Brain
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This wasn't about sending money, how many more times?!
Derf
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It's always about money in some form or other.
But are you saying she's somehow required to vote for such things, even if money isn't involved?
Arthur Brain
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No it wasn't, at all and if you'd been up to speed you'd have realized that. If you're going to wade in then at least be aware of what's under question before commenting or is that too "bizarre" for you? The actual question is why would anyone not vote in favour on this? Sure, she can vote against but it only ends up making her look like even more of a crank than she obviously already is.
The US and other Western nations have current sanctions on Turkey that do hurt the common people. Does that mean Biden does not care for the victims of the earthquake in Turkey? I don't think so and neither do I think we should judge MTG for opposing recognition of the dictatorial Turkish regime for reasons she did not divulge. America should celebrate diversity of opinions in Congress, not push for blind mob acceptance of everything proposed by the mob leaders.
Arthur Brain
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What on earth makes you think that MTG's vote against had anything to do with what you describe? Do any of you who make excuses for her actually know what's going on here? The short vid is still there...
Next thing you'll be saying she wasn't bonkers to think that Zelensky was demanding that American 'sons & daughters' go fight in Ukraine.
You and I are in the dark about why MTG voted the way she did. I refuse to condemn her just because she did not go along with the collective mob.
Arthur Brain
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"Collective mob"?! What are you on about? There was nothing controversial about this and there was no good reason for anyone to vote against, hence why the vast majority, Republicans and Democrats alike voted in favour.
You say there was no reason to vote against it yet you know MTG had a reason and you don't know what that reason was.
Arthur Brain
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I said there was no good reason to vote against it, which there wasn't. In MTG's case she's a publicity hound and for some, bad publicity is better than none and let's face it, that's pretty much all she gets.
You have no clue what good reason MTG may have had to vote against the bill.