Militarized Police
- Thread starter Christ's Word
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Fact is, the search was illegal, and Glans knew it, since he didn't ask for a warrant. It wouldn't have been granted. "Wearing dark clothing and acting suspicious" does not amount to probable cause.
That's why he slapped the driver and grabbed his keys. It was the only way to save face at that point.
Cost him his career and maybe his freedom. And should. Lucky the driver's friend had the video on.
And yes, the fact remains that the vast majority of police are not criminals, or brutal. My concern is that they have a code of omerta, that says a cop never turns in another cop. Even the good ones rarely turn in the few bad apples.
That's why he slapped the driver and grabbed his keys. It was the only way to save face at that point.
Cost him his career and maybe his freedom. And should. Lucky the driver's friend had the video on.
And yes, the fact remains that the vast majority of police are not criminals, or brutal. My concern is that they have a code of omerta, that says a cop never turns in another cop. Even the good ones rarely turn in the few bad apples.
Who gets charged for an illegal search? All that means is that any evidence found cannot be held against the person charged in court if an arrest is made, police don't then get 'charged' with doing an illegal search- if the search is thrown out.
So no, its not safe to assume anything like that.
Christ's Word
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More evidence for the tards to ignore, they have to reject the truth and try and kill the messenger, it is all they have......
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/co...enseless-handcuffed-girl-suing-city-lost-pay/
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/co...enseless-handcuffed-girl-suing-city-lost-pay/
Not everyone can be as above that as you:
But most can.
While theretic continues to
ignore reality there are only
over 100 officers involved in
this misconduct.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cleveland-pay-million-police-shooting-26996046
"Gilbert called the shooting "probably one of the worst cases of police misconduct" in U.S. history because of the number of police officers involved. More than 100 officers and 60 police cars, including some driven by supervisors, were involved"
"Gilbert said the lack of supervision during the chase and shooting was evidence of a systemic problem within the police department that "led to the massive violations of the constitutional rights of Russell and Williams."
:mock: theretic
ignore reality there are only
over 100 officers involved in
this misconduct.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cleveland-pay-million-police-shooting-26996046
"Gilbert called the shooting "probably one of the worst cases of police misconduct" in U.S. history because of the number of police officers involved. More than 100 officers and 60 police cars, including some driven by supervisors, were involved"
"Gilbert said the lack of supervision during the chase and shooting was evidence of a systemic problem within the police department that "led to the massive violations of the constitutional rights of Russell and Williams."
:mock: theretic
IMJerusha
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Any law enforcement representative can be charged with misconduct in the form of illegal search and seizure. It's a violation of fourth amendment rights which Police Officers have a duty to uphold.
IMJerusha
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Russell had a criminal record including convictions for receiving stolen property and robbery. His passenger, Malissa Williams, 30, had convictions for drug-related charges and attempted abduction.
You're a smart man THall, why don't you tell us why Russell refused to stop his vehicle?
Christ's Word
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Why don't you put the dope pipe down and talk about why all of these cops are being fired and sent to jail? Criminal behavior by one person does not and never will justify criminal behavior by police.....duh.:dunce:
No doubt the police knew these people were not nice people. The problem is they assumed a summary execution was called for.
So the most egregious criminal was put up as a scapegoat for the rest. And the lesson for all of the rest is "don't be the most prominent, and you will escape justice."
This is why we are no longer safe from the people who are supposed to be protecting us. It's time to make it unsafe for police to abuse people. A good step is the Supreme Court's affirmation that it is legal to record police, including audio, and that it's illegal to seize a cell phone without a warrant.
Another step would be requiring all police to wear body cams. Protects everyone who has nothing to hide. So far, tests have shown a marked drop in violent incidents between police and citizens when the cameras are on.
So the most egregious criminal was put up as a scapegoat for the rest. And the lesson for all of the rest is "don't be the most prominent, and you will escape justice."
This is why we are no longer safe from the people who are supposed to be protecting us. It's time to make it unsafe for police to abuse people. A good step is the Supreme Court's affirmation that it is legal to record police, including audio, and that it's illegal to seize a cell phone without a warrant.
Another step would be requiring all police to wear body cams. Protects everyone who has nothing to hide. So far, tests have shown a marked drop in violent incidents between police and citizens when the cameras are on.
:up: Quite proper and well stated. :up:
It is the job of police to arrest
and detain suspects for due process.
It is never the job of the police to
play judge, jury, and executioner.
The laws governing use of lethal force
are well thought out, and one of the
primary focuses of L.E. training.
No excuses.
I not only haven't, I've been arguing you need to learn how to do that, instead of conflating the anecdote with the rule.
Gilbert is the lawyer for the suing family. He isn't an impartial party examining the particular.
Else, involved is a fairly ambiguous word. How? Criminal conspiracy? Tangentially? Knowingly or unknowingly? Crime scene techs doing their jobs? Dispatchers? Who and how we justify that sort of inflammatory is important.
Of course he did. But anyone can use hyperbole. Doesn't make it reasonable to do so, even if the city settled the suit.
I get that's your meat, but there's none on that bone. :e4e:
Were you looking in the mirror
when you wrote that?
Well that sure explains the murders, uh, not.
Because you think it is soooo
much cooler to execute suspects
on the street rather than detain them
for due process?
Best you stick to the sleazy lawyer gig.
That pass for wit where you come from? It would explain a few things.
Nothing like a mature approach. And that certainly qualifies.
Of course I do. That's why you can quote me, as someone with experience on either side of the prosecutorial fence, routinely suggesting that's a great idea.
lain:Why don't you do that. I'll wait.
Better if you could find a rational brick in that pile of yours.
And again, the Gilbert he's leaning on was the lawyer for the complaining party to a civil suit. That's the sort of rhetoric you're going to get from one of those and as a spokesman for his client.
Another brick for your
personal denial pile.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/20/officer-sentenced-for-running-prostitution-ring/
The queen of denial
won't like this, no, not at all.
No one should. But you still have the same problem you did the first time I noted it, well over a hundred thousand officers doing their duty daily without actionable complaint as set against your wildly irresponsible and factually unbacked claims with regard to the majority.
Stacking up anecdotes won't meet that challenge.
For those who don't care for links. A former policeman was running two women (one his wife) as prostitutes.
another brick for
you the queen of denial.
A Newton police officer was arrested Monday on accusations that he unzipped his pants and exposed himself to young male drivers during “numerous” traffic stops.
Jason R. Miller, 37, of Hampton Township, a patrolman since 2001, turned himself in at the Sussex County Prosecutor’s Office and has been indefinitely suspended without pay pending the outcome of the criminal case, according to a statement issued by Sussex County Prosecutor Francis Koch and Newton Police Chief Michael Richards.
Miller was charged with two counts of official misconduct, one count of a pattern of official misconduct and one count of lewdness, the statement said.
Miller would expose his genitals to motorists “to satisfy his prurient interests” and then let them leave without issuing traffic summonses, according to a police complaint.
Because police don't have
morality issues, right?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
you the queen of denial.
A Newton police officer was arrested Monday on accusations that he unzipped his pants and exposed himself to young male drivers during “numerous” traffic stops.
Jason R. Miller, 37, of Hampton Township, a patrolman since 2001, turned himself in at the Sussex County Prosecutor’s Office and has been indefinitely suspended without pay pending the outcome of the criminal case, according to a statement issued by Sussex County Prosecutor Francis Koch and Newton Police Chief Michael Richards.
Miller was charged with two counts of official misconduct, one count of a pattern of official misconduct and one count of lewdness, the statement said.
Miller would expose his genitals to motorists “to satisfy his prurient interests” and then let them leave without issuing traffic summonses, according to a police complaint.
Because police don't have
morality issues, right?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
So I decided to start looking at percentages and studies. The Cato Institute released one in 2009 that looked at the averages and found:
Now that's reports. Of those, only 32% resulted in some disciplinary action.
Also, my well over a hundred thousand was too narrowly focused. Taking in all law enforcement that number is woefully low as I failed to take in local forces. From the report again:
So the rule appears to be overwhelmingly in favor of good cops doing a dangerous, thankless job.
Now set that against this:
And there you have a distinction between our approaches.
1 out of every 116.4 – Estimated number of officers who will be involved in a reported act of misconduct this year.
When examining misconduct reports by type, non-firearm related excessive force complaints were most common at 21.3% (652) of all reports, followed by sexual misconduct complaints at 13.0% (397), and then fraud/theft reports at 9.8% (300).
When examining misconduct reports by type, non-firearm related excessive force complaints were most common at 21.3% (652) of all reports, followed by sexual misconduct complaints at 13.0% (397), and then fraud/theft reports at 9.8% (300).
Now that's reports. Of those, only 32% resulted in some disciplinary action.
Also, my well over a hundred thousand was too narrowly focused. Taking in all law enforcement that number is woefully low as I failed to take in local forces. From the report again:
The average national police misconduct rate is estimated to be 834.69 per 100,000 police officers. In 2008 there were an estimated 712,360 state and local law enforcement officers employed in the US for an average of 1 officer for every 231.5 people.
So the rule appears to be overwhelmingly in favor of good cops doing a dangerous, thankless job.
Now set that against this:
And there you have a distinction between our approaches.
IMJerusha
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I never stated it does. Is jumping to conclusions the only exercise you get?
IMJerusha
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Not nice? I'm sorry, that's just too humorous. People scream for protection and castigate law enforcement for not taking a big enough bite out of crime and when they do, folks scream and castigate some more. It's sort of a lose, lose proposition.
The beginning of this thread was about how nasty the cops were for setting up a drunk driver checkpoint and taking up so much of CW's and her husband's time. They didn't want to submit to it at all and she and THall are doing the WAH WAH about militarization of Police. Are you not getting the lose, lose?
Point of fact, had the couple not had arrest records and had not led the Police in a high speed chase all over town, there wouldn't have been a shooting. I have no doubt that at some point during that chase, things of all manner flew out the windows of that car, things which may or may not be recovered but a whole poop load of cops don't just draw down on folks for no good reason. Can poor training be a factor? Sure, but not to the tune of that many officers. The skinny on that deal will come down eventually. Right now, however, as it is, it serves the CW/THall agenda.