Doormat said:
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
... And his enemies in Israel were not his. That is all he is saying. Israel was put away, cast away, whatever you want to call it.
I agree: his enemies in Israel were not his;
they were not part of Israel (John 8:39
et seq.) Therefore, it makes no sense whatsoever that "Israel" would be put away, cast away, rejected, whatever for the unbelief of those who Jesus said were not part of Israel, but of the synagogue of the adversary (Revelation 3:9). So we agree on one point you made, but disagree on your conclusion, which I perceive would be a gross injustice against Israel, God's first born son (Exodus 4:22): cast away for the unbelief of those who were not a part of Israel?
You do realize you are quoting "MAD doctrine" to disprove "MAD doctrine".
I don't understand what you mean, brother. I was asking how you interpret by Ephesians 2:12, 19, which I interpret to mean Gentiles were made citizens of Israel. It would be helpful if you or some other mid-Acts brother could address that.
There is no such thing as "spiritual Israel".
Why do you believe that God's theocracy wasn't a spiritual nation as well as a physical nation ... always? And do you believe you are in a
spiritual Body of Christ? Or, in your opinion, is it only those alive on earth presently that are part of Christ's body?
Here are some scriptures you should ponder, brother:
Isaiah 49:3, 6 He said to me,
You are my servant, Israel, in whom I display my splendor. ... I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth.
Who is bringing His salvation to the ends of the earth? Is it that nation in the Middle East you call Israel, or is it the Body of Christ (the Israel that Isaiah was describing)?
Exodus 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "
Israel is My son, My firstborn."
Hosea 11:1 compared with Matthew 2:14-15
Isn't the typology evident? The body of Christ is Israel.
Doormat said:
Is Christ the king of Israel?
Agreed. Is Christ king of a nation that is put away by God? I don't believe so.
Is Christ
your king?
Doormat said:
Is the king of Israel a citizen of Israel?
2. Yes, from birth. But he had to be crucified and raised up
Then you agree that Christ is king and citizen of Israel. Did Christ give up his citizenship and/or kingship when God allegedly put away Israel? I don't believe so.
Doormat said:
Is Christ one with His nation?
3. Metaphorically, yes. Israel isn't really a bride, but it is a metaphor for understanding.
He is one with His nation the same as he is one with you and I in the Body of Christ. Is that only a metaphor, too, in your opinion? Are you in the literal or figurative Body of Christ?
Doormat said:
Are you in Christ, one with him?
4. I am. I am a part of him, not his bride.
If you are one with him and part of him, brother, then logic dictates that you are one with and part of the king of Israel, one with and part of a citizen of Israel, and one with and part of the One who was called Israel in prophecy.