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I believe what the Bible says. It says Israel was put away, and gentiles raised up through Paul's unique ministry.
"Put away"? Where does it say that?
So then you haven't read Romans 9-11?
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Ephesians 2:12, 19 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: ... Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
What do you think Paul meant by those statements, brother?
Do you believe that Israel is a type or alternative name for the Body of Christ (Hosea 11:1 cf. Matthew 2:14-15)?
While I am an Open Theist, I cannot bring myself to be a Mid-Acts Dispensationalist.Do you believe in MAD. Please participate in the poll
1. Is Christ the king of Israel?
2. Is the king of Israel a citizen of Israel?
3. Is Christ one with His nation?
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Do you believe in MAD. Please participate in the poll
So then you haven't read Romans 9-11?
Romans 9
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
Romans 10
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Romans 11
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
So then you haven't read Romans 9-11?
Romans 9
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
Romans 10
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Romans 11
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
The passages you cite say:
* "Israel pursuing righteousness by the law, has not attained righteousness"
* They have not submitted to God's [means of] righteousness
* Israel [as a whole] has not obtained the justification that they seek; the elect did obtain it while the rest/majority did not
* Their fall benefited the nations but their fulness will do so more so
It does not say that they were "put away".
Have you considered the message put forth by Hosea?
Hi , and it is prophetic and Paul said 3 times , Acts 13:46 , Acts 18:6 and Acts 28:27 -28 , Israel's heart is Fat , Ear will not hear , and there EYES are closed , and Might be Reformed , and I Myself have to heal Israel .
Then in Rom 11:11-19 , speaks of Israel being broken off
And verse 20 says why theyy were broken off , because of UNBLIEF .
And another verse that speaks to Israel cut down is in Luke 13:6-9 and Matt 3:10 where the AXE is laid for Israel to be hewn down !!
dan p
And what if they are grafted back in?