Message for Ben

[Right Divider]

@BenAvraham Perhaps you misunderstand my comments. I'm not so much disagreeing with you as I am saying that you seem to be out-of-date with what God is doing TODAY.

God is not dealing with Israel today. He was in the past and He will again in the future. But today God is dealing with everyone the same, apart from any covenants or promises that He made with Israel.

You can learn all about these things in God message in Paul's epistles.

Rom 11:7-15 (AKJV/PCE)​

(11:7) What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (11:8) (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. (11:9) And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: (11:10) Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. (11:11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. (11:12) Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (11:13) For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (11:14) If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them. (11:15) For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?​

Here, Paul is explaining the fall of Israel and their eventual restoration.

You should really learn about that God is doing today by reading and respecting God's Word in Paul's epistles.

 

[glorydaz]

The fall of Israel happened, but they were regathered as a nation in 1948. Those dry bones (unbelieving Jews) are there today…..Jews are getting bombed while watching the nations turn against them. The future is upon us. Reading and respecting Paul’s epistles mean we should be recognizing the day is fast approaching when believers will be taken up to meet the Lord in the air. Then the Lord can complete His promises to His chosen people. The antichrist will lull them with a false peace and allow them to rebuild the temple. But, of course, that will not last and the remnant Jews will hide and be kept safe for that remaining three and a half years.

 

[Right Divider]

The fall of Israel happened, but they were regathered as a nation in 1948.

Nope... read Ezekiel 37 again.

Ezek 37:21-28 (AKJV/PCE)​

(37:21) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: (37:22) And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: (37:23) Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. (37:24) And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. (37:25) And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever. (37:26) Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. (37:27) My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (37:28) And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. ​

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Do you think that Israel has a king today?
Do they dwell in the land that God gave to Jacob? (no, many regions of that land a occupied by their enemies).

Those dry bones (unbelieving Jews) are there today

Nope.

…..Jews are getting bombed while watching the nations turn against them.

OK

The future is upon us.

Every second of every day since the beginning of creation.

Reading and respecting Paul’s epistles mean we should be recognizing the day is fast approaching when believers will be taken up to meet the Lord in the air.

Amen!

Then the Lord can complete His promises to His chosen people.

Yes! And not until then.
God cannot do two contradictory things at the same time.
i.e., Israel and neither Jew nor Greek.

The antichrist will lull them with a false peace and allow them to rebuild the temple. But, of course, that will not last and the remnant Jews will hide and be kept safe for that remaining three and a half years.

Once the body of Christ is taken out of the picture all of that can proceed.

 

[glorydaz]

Nope... read Ezekiel 37 again.

Ezek 37:21-28 (AKJV/PCE)​

(37:21) And say unto ; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: (37:22) And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: (37:23) Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. (37:24) And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. (37:25) And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever. (37:26) Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. (37:27) My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my ​

Do you think that Israel has a king today?
Do they dwell in the land that God gave to Jacob? (no, many regions of that land a occupied by their enemies).

Nope.

OK

Every second of every day sin

Amen!

Yes! And not until then.
God cannot do two contradictory things at the same time.
i.e., Israel and neither Jew nor Greek.

Once the body of Christ is taken out of the picture all of that can proceed.

Indeed, all of that can proceed. Then is at the door.

The stage is set…..God is not doing anything contradictory, He has gathered the Jews back into the land, and he is setting the stage for the last seven years before He returns to set up His Kingdom. In fact, it’s finally possible for all that was predicted to take place. I remember back when I first got saved, none of this stuff even seemed possible. Israel is who we should be watching, not ignoring. It isn’t just Ez. 37, there is 38 and 39 showing what occurs after the rapture. So much prophecy about NOW and these last days. We’re at the door, and we will soon be hearing the trumpet voice of God, and that’s what Paul was focused on.

 

[BenAvraham]

Am Israel Echad "We are ONE with Israel" All believers are grafted into the Community of Israel believers in Yeshua. the "Church" is made up of the "body of believers" in Messiah Yeshua, the word "Kehilah" (congregation) is the original word in Hebrew, the word "Adat" or "Adeh" (Community)
Yeshua loves all members of HIS body, both in the "church" and in "Israel" He came first for the lost house of Israel, and then, to the Gentile communities. We are all ONE body under Messiah Yeshua.