whitestone
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ok I share the service with a lot of youths in the youth group and their turn starts at 5:00pm and so at 5.000001 pm well the page will just load and load till they get their turn, lol so "I'LL BE bAck",,,
I don't follow Darby, so that tired old lie of yours gets really old really fast.I don't know, but if I had to guess, I would guess common sense after reading the Revelation.
I have no idea, the guys who wrote it are long gone.
However, without that ambiguous statement from Irenaeus, there would be no "late date" theory.
Because you guys are all Darby followers, and I'm a Preterist, you want it so bad for Revelation to be written after 70AD because you know that would be the end of Preterism if it was.
So let's look at scripture and see if it lines up with your "Nero is antichrist and Vespasian was the false prophet, and that Christ's second advent was in 70AD.
When did Vespasian erect the image of Nero and causes all to worship Nero?
I never said Vespasian was the false prophet. I said Vespasian was the second beast.
However, Vespasian may have been the seventh king of the first beast, and/or the second beast also.
Vespasian was the 10th king, but the seventh head of the beast.
(Rev 13:1) The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Titus erected an ensign of Vespasian at the temple.
So, if Vespasian was the seventh king of the beast, it was Titus who set up the ensign of Vespasian and made the Jews worship the first beast, which would have been the seven headed beast, or seven kings.
Like I said earlier, it's a little tricky because the beast is referred to as a kingdom, seven kings, and an individual. Plus there's a second beast. Plus there's three kings in between Nero and Vespasian.
However, there's no doubt all these prophecies were fulfilled by 70AD.
....is that I can't defend my claim
You were proven a fraud five years ago; your every point proven a joke.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...tai-Questions-the-Mid-Acts-View-Cannot-Answer
you know my answer - Israel's Prophetic clock was temporarily stopped by God
But the image is of the first beast, not the second.Titus erected an ensign of Vespasian at the temple.
There were 12 emperors from Julius Caesar to Titus.So, if Vespasian was the seventh king of the beast, it was Titus who set up the ensign of Vespasian and made the Jews worship the first beast, which would have been the seven headed beast, or seven kings.
Like I said earlier, it's a little tricky because the beast is referred to as a kingdom, seven kings, and an individual. Plus there's a second beast. Plus there's three kings in between Nero and Vespasian.
However, there's no doubt all these prophecies were fulfilled by 70AD.
Lots of posts by Darby followers, yet not one Darby follower can answer the questions given to them.
I can defend my claims.
You cannot.
There is an abundance of doubt.However, there's no doubt all these prophecies were fulfilled by 70AD.
Paul did die before 70AD. Paul was killed by Nero during the 42 months given to Nero from 64AD to 68AD
I don't disagree.
MAD claims John and Paul were in different programs, and went to different churches.
MAD doesn't have John in the Body of Christ. MAD has John in the "kingdom" program.
If what Ireneaus says about John remaining permanently at a church Paul started, then MAD is wrong. (MAD is wrong)
Since Irenaeus is getting so much attention, let's look at another excerpt from his book "Against Heresies":
"the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops."
As we see, yet another Death Knell to MAD.
MAD has Peter and Paul preaching different gospels, in different programs, and in different churches.
But the image is of the first beast, not the second.
You say the first beast (the 666 beast) is Nero.
So how are you choosing which of these 12 make up the 7 kings?
You every assertion was proven a farce five years ago.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...tai-Questions-the-Mid-Acts-View-Cannot-Answer
you know my answer - Israel's Prophetic clock was temporarily stopped by God
Hilston didn't claim Israel's prophetic clock stopped in Mid-Acts.
You did, and you can't defend your claim.
Once again, you are acting like a little child because you can't back your false claim, and you don't like your only option.
There is an abundance of doubt.
And we are seeing several doubts within your posts.