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dodge

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Hi and you are now a Jew , as per Heb 8:8 ??

dan p

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 

dodge

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So, you ARE a Jew !!!

According to Paul those in Christ are "spiritual Jews".


Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.



Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



Pretty obvious that those NOT in Christ have no understanding of God's word.

Paul says those in Christ are spiritual Jews and yet Paul's followers ( Madist) say NOPE that is wrong.

Lets ignore Jesus' messages,and place them into they were not for the gentiles but for the Jews deception. Madist more and more remind me of J.W'S , Mormons, Roman Catholics, and folks who distort, take out of context, and flat out ignore the truth of God's word to follow a mans teachings that by all evidence had NO clue what scripture teaches.
 

Danoh

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So you believe Paul lied ?

You are so pompous in your ignorance...

No; I believe you are lying - the lie you make out of that passage in your ignorance of the issues Paul is addressing there, when he says that.

Paul is making a point by that, given what he has been saying against the so "called...Jew" in his hypocrisy.

Said Jew is out there among the Gentiles, claiming he was "called a Jew" by God, and knows what's what as to God's will because he is instructed out of the Law, etc.

Earlier, Paul has noted that the Gentile does not have the Law (is far from God, and therefore, without hope in the world).

And that the Gentile does things out of the work of the law written his heart - said work being the awareness of right and wrong: his conscience; which he either allows to point out to him he is wrong, where he is, or else excuses.

In light of that, Paul at the end of chapter two is dealing with the issue of the Jew; who has the Law - knowledge of God's will - looks anything but like the righteous Jew said Jew is hypocritically claiming to be...

Paul then returns to who he is talking about - the Jew: the unbelieving physical son of Jacob - in contrast to the believing, physical son of Jacob in Isaac, as Paul heads towards his conclusion in chapter 3 AGAINST both the Jew and the Gentile - that they are ALL under sin...

His point is that even the Gentiles at times manifested circumcision behavior (accepted by God) the Jew who claimed to be "called a Jew" did not.

Of course, you will not reflect on any of this.

It will not fit your tradition of men, and you will therefore not study it out.
 
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Danoh

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dodge the truth...you make the same mistake of Paul's mention of Abraham, that even some Madists make.

Galatians 3 is not only in light of Romans 4; but in light of that part of Romans 4 that goes into Abraham back to when he was in UNcircumcision (a Gentile).

There is a Two-Fold Principle there, in Romans 4.
 
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dodge

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dodge the truth...you make the same mistake of Paul's mention of Abraham, that even some Madists make.

Galatians 3 is not only in light of Romans 4; but in light of that part of Romans 4 that goes into Abraham as to back when he was in UNcircumcision.

There is a Two-Fold Principle there, in Romans 4.


NONE of what you posted changes the meaning of the following 2 scriptures. You are in so deep into deception that YOU cannot see the forest for the trees.

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.



Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

DAN P

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Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Hi and Heb 8:8 has to do with the New Covenant given to the HOUSE OF Israel and house of Judah and if you believe the New Covenant is for today , YOU MUST BE A JEW !!

dan p
 

dodge

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Hi and Heb 8:8 has to do with the New Covenant given to the HOUSE OF Israel and house of Judah and if you believe the New Covenant is for today , YOU MUST BE A JEW !!

dan p

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

Nang

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Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

MADists resist these spiritual truths because they do not want to identify with Jews. They think they have figured out a way to read the NT and still keep apart from them.
 

heir

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Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Paul was first sent to those who were the natural descendants of Abe and allied with Israel (Acts 26:17 KJV, Acts 13:16 KJV, Acts 13:26 KJV, Galatians 3:29 KJV). His second sending (Acts 22:17-21 KJV) was to all men without distinction (1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV) including Gentiles who were before (time past) aliens and strangers (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV). Neither of which (the twain made one new man Ephesians 2:11-17 KJV) just spoken of replaces Israel as God has a future for them (Matthew 19:28 KJV, Romans 11:26-27 KJV, Hebrews 8:8-12 KJV, 1 Peter 2:9 KJV!
 

steko

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MADists resist these spiritual truths because they do not want to identify with Jews. They think they have figured out a way to read the NT and still keep apart from them.

I have lots of Jewish friends in the USA and in Israel who are believers and some unbelievers.
 

DAN P

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Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Hi and can not answer Heb 8:8 ??

Your other 2 verses are a OP all by them self !!

Do you want to start a post on them ??

dan p
 

dodge

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Hi and can not answer Heb 8:8 ??

Your other 2 verses are a OP all by them self !!

Do you want to start a post on them ??

dan p


Heb 8:8 teaches that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant as Moses was the mediator of the old covenant.

Your point ?

Differences Between the New Covenant and the Old Covenant

1. They were instituted at different times. The Old Covenant around 1446 B.C., the New Covenant around 33 A.D..

2. They were instituted at different places. The Old Covenant at Mount Sinai, the New Covenant at Mount Zion.

3. They were spoken in different ways. The Old Covenant was thundered with fear and dread at Mount Sinai (Exodus 19:17-24). Jesus Christ, God the Son, declared the New Covenant with love and grace.

4. They are different in their mediators. Moses mediated the Old Covenant. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant.

5. They are different in their subject matter. The Old Covenant demanded a covenant of works. The New Covenant fulfills the covenant of works through the completed work of Jesus.

6. They are different in how they were dedicated. The Old Covenant was dedicated with the blood of animals sprinkled on the people (Exodus 24:5-8). The New Covenant was dedicated with Jesus' blood spiritually applied to His people.

7. They are different in their priests. The Old Covenant is represented by the priesthood of the Law of Moses and high priests descended from Aaron. The New Covenant has a priesthood of all believers and a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek.

8. They are different in their sacrifices. The Old Covenant demanded endless repetition of imperfect sacrifices. The New Covenant provides a once and for all, perfect sacrifice of the Son of God Himself.

9. They are different in how and where they were written. The Old Covenant was written by God on tablets of stone. The New Covenant is written by God on the hearts of His people.

10. They are different in their goals. The goal of the Old Covenant was to discover sin, to condemn it, and to set a "fence" around it. The goal of the New Covenant is to declare the love, grace, and mercy of God, and to give repentance, remission of sin, and eternal life.

11. They are different in their practical effect on living. The Old Covenant ends in bondage (through no fault of its own). The New Covenant provides true liberty.

12. They are different in their giving of the Holy Spirit. Under the Old Covenant, God did grant the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way and extent that He is given to believer under the New Covenant.

13. They are different in their idea of the Kingdom of God. Under the Old Covenant, it is mainly seen as the supreme rule of Israel over the nations. Under the New Covenant, it is both a present spiritual reality and a coming literal fact.

14. They are different in their substance. The Old Covenant has vivid shadows. The New Covenant has the reality.

15. They are different in the extent of their administration. The Old Covenant was confined to the descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob according to the flesh. The New Covenant is extended to all nations and races under heaven.

16. They are different in what they actually accomplish. The Old Covenant made nothing perfect. The New Covenant can and will bring in the perfection of God's people.

17. They are different in their duration. The Old Covenant was designed to be removed. The New Covenant was designed to last forever.


https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/guzik_david/StudyGuide_Hbr/Hbr_8.cfm?a=1141008
 

Danoh

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Paul was first sent to those who were the natural descendants of Abe and allied with Israel (Acts 26:17 KJV, Acts 13:16 KJV, Acts 13:26 KJV, Galatians 3:29 KJV). His second sending (Acts 22:17-21 KJV) was to all men without distinction (1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV) including Gentiles who were before (time past) aliens and strangers (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV). Neither of which (the twain made one new man Ephesians 2:11-17 KJV) just spoken of replaces Israel as God has a future for them (Matthew 19:28 KJV, Romans 11:26-27 KJV, Hebrews 8:8-12 KJV, 1 Peter 2:9 KJV!

Nope; his is the same sending from Acts 9 all the way to his last Epistle just before his martyrdom.

Eph. 2 is Rom. 3. and vice versa.
 
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