Do you have an actual objection?
Keeping Racism Alive
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Do you have an actual objection?
some other dude
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Do you ever research these stories before you jump in?
Zimmerman's not white.
Zimmerman's not white.
Can people disagree with you and not be ignorant?
That would very much depend on the nature of the discourse. I think it would be quite clear to any objective observer viewing many of the threads here that hate is a key component to many of the viewpoints expressed.
An ignorant person is uninformed by the way. Do you believe that your fellow TOLers are uniformed?
I do not put forth the term lightly, and I have been known to change my opinion when confronted by an intelligent opposing perspective but seldom by myriad links to questionable sites. Did you even check on "Lord Monckton"??? There is a considerable difference between reasoned discussion on serious topics and the inane antics so often displayed here on TOL, as with this thread. Not suggesting that there isn't a time and place but discernment should be applicable. Yes, a number of people on TOL are ignorant...and just so you are aware an ignorant person is without education and knowledge. (the use of uninformed might be better stated as informed by the wrong sources) Since the lack of rational thinking is oft exhibited then the answer to your question seems quite obvious.
Why is the President using the tragedy of this boy's death for political purposes? Someone shouted a question from the crowd. Do you think the question was planted? He wanted to make this a race issue. The parents of this boy didn't want it to become a race issue.
As usual, it's all about him.
Do you think this president or any president should dodge such issues? You immediately conclude that the president addressed this issue for politcal purposes which says quite a bit about your personal perspective. And of course it was a plant...a conspiracy theory again raises it's vile head, and who questioned as to whether the president may have been involved in the breitbart death? Do the circumstances warrant a look into the "race" issue? If not why not? Does the tragic killing of this young person not bother you and the fact that it has become a national topic?
"As usual, it's all about him." is simply an empty remark to ensure that your hatred comes to bear on this or any situation regarding President Obama.
We aren't permitted to move beyond race in an ObamaNation
It is quite obvious that we as a nation have not moved past race, so it is an issue. The cartoons and verbiage in this thread alone indicate that many TOLers haven't moved past race but simply find a source of humor in which to vent their hatred of President Obama.
Now you are going to change the term to "people groups" ...how politcally correct of you. It would at least be welcome if the President Obama haters on this site admitted that their attacks were motivated to some degree, perhaps much more, by race. Certainly one can't be so "ignorant" as to believe that President Obama is a commie, socialist, fascist, marxist, and that as one person stated he can "go to hell".
Can you image moving beyond "race" yourself?
Since race continues to be an issue in this country it is not time to move past the discussion. If you can't see the difference between the hate spewed on this site and reasoned discussion, then I wouldn't expect you to understand the use of the word "ignorant".
That would very much depend on the nature of the discourse. I think it would be quite clear to any objective observer viewing many of the threads here that hate is a key component to many of the viewpoints expressed.
An ignorant person is uninformed by the way. Do you believe that your fellow TOLers are uniformed?
I do not put forth the term lightly, and I have been known to change my opinion when confronted by an intelligent opposing perspective but seldom by myriad links to questionable sites. Did you even check on "Lord Monckton"??? There is a considerable difference between reasoned discussion on serious topics and the inane antics so often displayed here on TOL, as with this thread. Not suggesting that there isn't a time and place but discernment should be applicable. Yes, a number of people on TOL are ignorant...and just so you are aware an ignorant person is without education and knowledge. (the use of uninformed might be better stated as informed by the wrong sources) Since the lack of rational thinking is oft exhibited then the answer to your question seems quite obvious.
Why is the President using the tragedy of this boy's death for political purposes? Someone shouted a question from the crowd. Do you think the question was planted? He wanted to make this a race issue. The parents of this boy didn't want it to become a race issue.
As usual, it's all about him.
Do you think this president or any president should dodge such issues? You immediately conclude that the president addressed this issue for politcal purposes which says quite a bit about your personal perspective. And of course it was a plant...a conspiracy theory again raises it's vile head, and who questioned as to whether the president may have been involved in the breitbart death? Do the circumstances warrant a look into the "race" issue? If not why not? Does the tragic killing of this young person not bother you and the fact that it has become a national topic?
"As usual, it's all about him." is simply an empty remark to ensure that your hatred comes to bear on this or any situation regarding President Obama.
We aren't permitted to move beyond race in an ObamaNation
It is quite obvious that we as a nation have not moved past race, so it is an issue. The cartoons and verbiage in this thread alone indicate that many TOLers haven't moved past race but simply find a source of humor in which to vent their hatred of President Obama.
Now you are going to change the term to "people groups" ...how politcally correct of you. It would at least be welcome if the President Obama haters on this site admitted that their attacks were motivated to some degree, perhaps much more, by race. Certainly one can't be so "ignorant" as to believe that President Obama is a commie, socialist, fascist, marxist, and that as one person stated he can "go to hell".
Can you image moving beyond "race" yourself?
Since race continues to be an issue in this country it is not time to move past the discussion. If you can't see the difference between the hate spewed on this site and reasoned discussion, then I wouldn't expect you to understand the use of the word "ignorant".
Ah, yes, ok. I had forgotten. Fair point.
annabenedetti
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zoo22
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Plus, from the tapes of Zimmermans' 911 call, it seems he may have thought he was chasing and killing a "coon." If that's the case, I don't see how it would be racially-related. And it goes without saying that any raccoon (or even say, a young black male) wearing a hoodie is outright asking for trouble. Racist? Wha?
annabenedetti
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That image isn't helpful. If you were quoting it and the original was removed, perhaps you could remove yours also. We can be intensely opposed to Obama and all his ideologies and all his policies without resorting to those sorts of things.
I think it's fine for him to make a self-defense argument. That's a reasonable defense. But let him make it in court, where there's a reasonable chance of all the available evidence being heard. To me, the real objection is against the police force, who simply took Zimmerman's word for it that it was self-defense.
some other dude
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What evidence do you have that so-called race is a factor?
each: Queue jeopardy theme (right click, open).That is what the police have said so far. Are the police officers :yawn: all racist, too?
What do you think of our country? :AMR: Are we all :angrymob: just a bunch of yahoo racists? :BillyBob:
It was horrible--:smack: reminds me of Leonard, Lanny's twin on The X-Files.
Unfortunately, The not-so-reverend Al Sharpton is even more horrifying. :shocked:
People should know. :idunno:
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The belief that people who gun down children are usually at least arrested, and that didn't happen this time...for some reason.
That is what the police have said so far. Are the police officers :yawn: all racist, too?
I think it isn't that big a stretch to think race had something to do with it. That perhaps the police saw a black teenager in a hoodie and assumed he was up to no good. And like I said, if he claims it was self-defense, let him make his case in court.
That we shouldn't be afraid to at least look into possible race problems. That we don't ignore a problem because we're afraid of what we'll find.
Not "all". And it's not necessarily even intentional. And it may be nothing in this case, but I want to have that investigated to find out for sure.
Should we just ignore the situation?
You automatically assume that the police :yawn: are all a bunch of racists. I do not.
When the shooter was on the phone, he was asked not to follow the young man. No one in a position of authority assumed that he was "up to no good".
He may have to defend himself. And he may be guilty. The point is--we don't know.
We are the least racist country on the planet. By the way, only 20 percent of our nation is on the far Left (Eccl 10:2).
Everyone would like that. One more question: Do you think man came from a monkey?
See:
Darwin's Plantation Evolutions Racist Roots
I think the situation at least raises eyebrows enough to warrant further inquiry.
That doesn't follow. Authority isn't this single monolithic will. The person on the phone is not the person who decided whether or not to arrest Mr. Zimmerman.
Agreed. And meanwhile, we should do what we do with most murder suspects. Arrest him and put him in prison.
I don't know how you'd judge that.
So?
And, cue the segue into the irrelevant...
You assume that the person who decided not to arrest Mr. Zimmerman is :yawn: a racist. I do not. Out of curiosity, is he also: sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic and Islamophobic? Prager, sixhirb.
I live here.
lain:As if it's a boolean question. You must either assume he (or they) is racist, or that they aren't, and there's no room for doubt. I think a reasonable suspicion has been raised, that's all.
I live here.
And every other country on Earth?
some other dude
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:chuckle:
As far as the decision of the Florida cops not to arrest Zimmerman based on their initial investigation, why second guess them?
Well, the recordings that have been made public so far don't look that good for him.
You just proved race card mentality with this post.
If you say so, Angel. On the other hand, I admitted to SOD that I was at least partially in error, which isn't something people do a lot around here.