Justification from everlasting !

[beloved57]

Point 4

When Christ, as a surety, engaged for the elect, they were Justified. "At the same time in which Christ became a surety for us, and our sins were imputed to him, we were absolved from guilt, and reputed just; that is, actively justified:" Which was from everlasting, or before the foundation of the world.

I believe God the Father constituted His Son a Surety in the Counsel of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Prov 8:22-23,31

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

 

[beloved57]

Point 5

God eternally decreed not to punish sin in his people, but in his Son. His decree to punish sin in his Son, includes his will to impute it to him; and his purpose not to punish it in his elect, takes in his will not to impute it to them, and must be their Justification from all sin in his sight.

I believe this is why Paul wrote 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This has to do with God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

This Eternal Purpose in Christ is the same as the Everlasting Covenant with Christ, and God never purposed to impute sins to the Elect, but upon Christ, so this was their Justification !

 

[beloved57]

6. "Christ's atonement and bearing sin was in the eye of God from eternity, as if already done: hence the patriarchs were actually and personally justified by it,"

as Dr. Isaac Chauncy well observes. Neonomianism Unmasked, London, 1692, Part 2, p. 53. Therefore why may it not be concluded that the elect were justified from everlasting, since God had the atonement of Christ then in His eye? I should be glad to see these arguments thoroughly examined, and solidly refuted, if they do not sufficiently prove what they are brought for.

We know this point to be True because of such scriptures as 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[beloved57]

Because of Suretyship !

Justification before the foundation for the Elect of God is True because of Christ's Suretyship in the Everlasting Covenant Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

This is Pre Creation within the Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Also called the Everlasting Covenant, Christ the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8, He agreed and took upon Himself all the sins of the Elect to sponsor, hence it was God's Purpose not to charge them [sins and lawbreaking] against His Elect, but confirmed Christ's Suretyship, therefore He became the main debtor to God's Law and Justice for their sins, and they being made free from any and all accountability, for themselves to satisfy God's Law and Justice ! To deny this Justification is to deny a foundational blessing of Christ's Suretyship for His Sheep !

 

[beloved57]

The Fruit of Eternal Justification !

As the fruit of Eternal Justification, there will be subsequent declarations of Justification and or manifestations of Justification. For example, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, declares that the Sheep are Justified Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.

So The Resurrection declares Eternal Justification because the sins Christ died for, He was given Suretyship of them before the World began,

And Faith declares the sinner Justified as they receive experimental peace and joy and spiritual Knowledge of Justification by Faith Rom 5:1

But these are fruits of Eternal Justification !

 

[TruthSetsFree]

Ps 103:17

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

I do not think it will be argued that Justification by Faith is a very great mercy to experience in this life. This mercy was not just random or by chance , or by freewill, but was established as a sure mercy from everlasting. God, the everlasting God, Preached the gospel of Justification to Abraham centuries ago Gal 3:8

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If you read the Bible you will find that there is no such thing as eternal security

I've read the whole thing so dont bother printout out long passages... ​

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

If you read the Bible you will find that there is no such thing as eternal security

I've read the whole thing so dont bother printout out long passages...

thats a complete lie straight from the pits of hell!


Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

 

[beloved57]

If you read the Bible you will find that there is no such thing as eternal security

I've read the whole thing so dont bother printout out long passages...

Go fly a kite somewhere !

 

[beloved57]

Justification from Eternity !

Where the man of sin ministers and followers greatly error, is they fail to understand the origin of ones Justification before God, in the Eternal Mind of God, for it is God that Justifieth Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

And as it is God's act, it is immutable from Everlasting, founded upon the Covenant Engagements of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, hence Justification from Eternity, because its origin is an act of God's Mind, which acts are Eternal and Immutable, not subject to change Mal 3:6

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

There is also a Justification at the Resurrection of Jesus Christ , the Covenant head raised from the dead Rom 4:25, and this being a more clearer revelation of the Immutability of His Eternal act of Justification, and then of course at the time of New birth, there is another revealing of God's Eternal act of Justification, in the conscience of the redeemed one, which this is Justification by Faith ! Rom 5:1; Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

 

[beloved57]

Justification from Eternity !

God's Purpose and Will not to punish sin in the Elect is their Justification from all sin, for God's Purpose not to punish sin in His Elect is Revealed in His Purpose of Christ's Death before the World began, Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[For the sins of the Elect] from the foundation of the world.

1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained[To Be slain for sin] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

These scriptures reveal a valuable FACT that God not never at one Time before the foundation of the World purposed to punish the sins of the Elect in them, hence He never imputed them [their sins] to their charge, this non imputation of their sins from before the foundation of the world, was their acquittal and Justification from all sin from the foundation of the World, for we read of the blessedness of non imputation here Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[beloved57]

Justification in Rom 8:29-30

What about Justified in Rom 8:29-30 ?

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

In this sequence given by inspiration, of the Eternal Purpose of God in Election to Glorification coming to fruition, Paul places call [in time] before Justification, which means as God's Eternal Purpose unfolds in time to each vessel of mercy or the [them], we see not why to confess that in a point of time, the elect individual called by the Gospel is Justified by Faith given to them in the New Birth, for this fulfills the Gospel promise to Abraham that God made here Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

This is part of the Eternal Decree, that God purposed. That God would Justify the heathen through Faith is something God decreed to do, and also these would be Abraham's Seed !

So God had decreed to give the Elect evidence [Faith] of their Eternal Justification to their own consciousness in time, by sending the Holy Spirit to set them apart to Faith or the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, in this, Christ is revealed to them and they are given a Knowledge [spiritual] of Salvation or Justification by the remission of their sins Lk 1:77 which took place before the world began by non imputation, because they [their sins] were imputed to their Covenant Head and Surety before the World Began ! But yes, there is in time, when the Elect are Called, then Justified by Faith in their consciousness as God Promised to do here Gal 3:8 !

 

[beloved57]

Eternal Justification !

The Justification of the Elect, an immanent act of God, was always abiding in Him by Covenant Engagement, as something hid in Himself or hid in God Eph 3:9

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col 3:3

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

The Eternal Justification of all of God's Elect has always been a hidden Truth, hidden with Christ in God. Its that Justification of life Paul speaks of in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

There comes a time when these hidden Mysteries in God, that are for us, that the Spirit of God makes them known, that we may know experientially those things Freely given us of God as stated 1 Cor 2:12

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Thats important because one of the things we have freely of God, is Justification in Christ by His Grace and Redemptive Work Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Which Work originated in the Eternal Engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, when Christ became the Surety by the imputation of our sins unto His Suretyship, so that in a time appointed by God, He would be made of a woman, made under the Law, and be sacrificed for those sins already imputed !

 

[beloved57]

More on Justification from Eternity !

There is a Justification in the mind of the believer which doth occur in time, and is what the scripture calls Justified by Faith Rom 5:1 , but there is another Justification which is before time and even from eternity Ps 103:17, and that is the Elects Justification in the Mind of God ! Eternal Justification rests upon what is an Eternal Act in God's Mind and not what is a revealed fact of the Mind of God in the mind of the Justified ones ! The Elect are Justified by God from Eternity by the Eternal act of the Decree of God, and by the Eternal Arrangement of the Everlasting Covenant between the Father and the Son and The Spirit Witnessed, these are God's Acts; That is His Decree's are His Acts of Old Ps 93:2

Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

His entering Covenant with His Son is His acts; and all acts of His are foundational in His Being as the Eternal God, where time as we know it,past , present and future, are all One in His Mind !

 

[beloved57]

Slain from the foundation of the World !

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Many false teachers try their best to destroy the Truth of this verse that John was inspired to write, and that is that Christ the Lamb was actually slain from the foundation of the World !

Yes, I said actually which means actual or existing fact !

He was actually slain from the foundation of the World by God's Decree and Purpose, which makes it an Actual Existing Fact in the Mind of God. John here is revealing to us the Mind of God on this matter !

And with that, this verse speaks to the Truthfulness of the Eternal Justification of all God's Elect in His Mind, Purpose and Decree from the foundation of the World, Yes for all them that Christ did come and die for in time, they were already Justified by the Purpose of God before Time Began. This is so much so, that in the Purpose, Decree, and Mind of God they were already Saved 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Or it can read "Who hath saved or Justified us according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"

Paul states the same here Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

That is, Freely Justified by that Grace which was Given Us in Christ Jesus before the World Began !

This is a Gospel Truth, for Paul Just stated in Vs 8 2 Tim 1:8-10

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;


Which Gospel Truth He Proclaims in Vs 9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The Gospel is that Testimony of that Eternal Grace Given in Christ, which we are Justified by, before the World began.

Paul said the same also here Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

This Testimony of the Gospel of the Grace of God refers to 2 Tim 1:8-9 which enlightens of the Church's Eternal Justification by the Grace of God , premised on the Covenant Engagement of Christ being Slain for their Sins !

And to omit this Truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God is to consequently Preach No Gospel. Yes, Eternal Justification of the Church is a GOSPEL TRUTH, and I just proved it with scripture !

 

[beloved57]

Slain from the foundation of the World ! cont

Christ's Death for the Elect was an Eternal Offering, given through the Eternal Spirit Heb 9:14

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

It the Death or Offering of Christ was from a Human perspective offered in time, but ordained before time for its objects 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, The Church or the Elect of God 1 Pet 1:2, They would also be the foreknown of God Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

All those that would believe in God by Him 1 Pet 1:20-21

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

And it's Meritorious Effects, of His Death, are from Everlasting to Everlasting. The Effects of it had Eternal Influences on all that are Justified by it from Pre Cross to Post Cross, and by it they all had been sanctified and perfected forever Heb 10:10,14 !

 

[dreadknought]

B57, I do hope you have grasped @ faith. Your eternal life is predicated upon what God has provided to us for Himself........ in created time.

 

[beloved57]

B57, I do hope you have grasped @ faith. Your eternal life is predicated upon what God has provided to us for Himself........ in created time.

Please rehearse over the points of posts 54 ,55 and tell me each point that is wrong ! Thanks.

 

[beloved57]

Eternal Justification by the Purpose, Decree of God !

2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It cannot be plainer than this, That according to the Truth of the Everlasting Gospel, all the Elect of God were Saved, Justified, Given Grace in Christ before the World began, according to His OWN Purpose !

What is this Purpose ? First the scripture says according to HIS OWN PURPOSE, Pertaining to Himself, so this purpose takes place first and foremost within God's ownself ! Also the word purpose means here determination and the idea of decree is associated with this set purpose or determination.

Its also the foundation of God's Predestination as in Eph 1:11

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

In Justification, this Eternal Purpose or Decree, this Determination within God Himself, God never appointed the Elect to Wrath, but to obtain Salvation ! So consequently within the Eternal Decree or Purpose of God the Elect were Justified from all sin before the World Began ! They were saved by the Purpose and Grace of God before the World Began, which is the foundation for their Call and Faith and Justification in Time Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

According to this Eternal Purpose God did Justify them before Himself by Non Imputation Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

This Justification by God of the Elect had nothing to do with their faith in time, but His Purpose Given them before Time ! 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[TruthSetsFree]

a person CAN lose salvation

u r spouting off a doctrine held and first propogated by LUTHER

aka HUMAN

(not to mention that i feel he was totally possessed)

If you keep teaching people that thye can sin all they want and not lose salvation (i am speaking of mortal sin only)

u r leading peole into error and SIN (the wages of which is.. What???)

and ultimately into Hell... ​

 

[beloved57]

a person CAN lose salvation

u r spouting off a doctrine held and first propogated by LUTHER

aka HUMAN

(not to mention that i feel he was totally possessed)

If you keep teaching people that thye can sin all they want and not lose salvation (i am speaking of mortal sin only)

u r leading peole into error and SIN (the wages of which is.. What???)

and ultimately into Hell... ​

Yeah Yeah Yeah, Why not debate or deal with the scripture points of post 58 ?