Jews Go to Heaven Without Knowing Jesus?

Ktoyou

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Anyone who does not believe in Christ has chosen instead to remain apart from God. Though they may have a religious perspective, in their hearts they are choosing to worship God the way they want to worship Him, instead of the way He commands us to worship Him. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me”. John 14:6
 
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Why are you so hung up on us Jews? We don't care at all whether you think we will get to your Christian heaven or not.
 
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Ktoyou said:
Anyone who does not believe in Christ has chosen instead to remain apart from God. Though they may have a religious perspective, in their hearts they are choosing to worship God the way they want to worship Him, instead of the way He commands us to worship Him. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me”. John 14:6
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surprising how many here don't accept that :idunno:


chair said:
Why are you so hung up on us Jews? We don't care at all whether you think we will get to your Christian heaven or not.
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and yet, here you are whining about it
 
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ok doser said:
and yet, here you are whining about it
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Yes. There is something unsettling about people constantly looking at you, in particular, and discussing whether you are damned or not in their view. Why are you so concerned with us? I understand why this was the case when Christianity first started, since it started as Jewish sect. But that was 2,000 years ago. Time to grow up.

And yes, the unpleasant history we have had with Christians contributes to my feeling of unease about this.
 
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Living in a generations-long existence of having their neck under the boot of corrupt rulers and conquerors, the Jews did something practical and pragmatic:

The devised a way to build in moral socialism into the structures of their society--religious and political. And Jesus carried on this epic narrative in his own ministry.

The turning away from

...worshiping the Golden Calf of idolatry,
...extending our moral imagination for the homeless, the immigrant, the orphan and the widow,
...canceling all debts for everyone at a certain time period every generation
...holding back part of the harvest for the poor and the marginalized,
...giving back the land to its original family owners every so often at a definite time.
...Being kind to animals who till the soil and provide clothing and nourishment

In short, establishing the type of world where swords and lances are turned back into pruning hooks.

Their great narrative myth was to leave the bondage of the Pharaoh and strike out to wander the great wilderness. And to eventually arrive in a paradise of morality and liberty and justice for all.

Most of us (as I see it) are leaving the power and principalities of our Pharaohs.
And I see this happening worldwide.

But we are clearly wandering in the wilderness, trying to follow the leaders who have a chance of leading us to that "city on the hill" as Reagan talked about.
A paradise of justice and human rights and a place of no more war.

The Jews knew exactly what they were doing. They were all-too-aware of where they were and where they needed to be.

Their great prophets always warned the people that if they kept on going the way they were going, they were going to wind up where they were headed.

Repent, which meant then and means now "metanoia". Completely change your human orientation to the world and find immortality and peace.
 
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Bright Raven said:
No anyone who comes to the Father must come through the Son.
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Acts 10
34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

Romans 2
6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”
7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)


Jesus is the only way but some may only find that out in the next life.
 
Bradley D

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It is not my place to say who will go to heaven and who will not. That is in God's hand.

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven" (Luke 6:37).


"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 7:21).
 
heir

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Ktoyou said:
Jews Go to Heaven Without Knowing Jesus?
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Nope! No one gets there without the righteousness of God upon them (Romans 3:21-22 KJV). The only way to "get it" (as they say) is to trust the Lord believing the why of the cross of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) and it will be imputed (Romans 4:24-25 KJV).

Good thread!
 
OCTOBER23

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CHAIR said,

There is something unsettling about people constantly looking at you, in particular, and discussing whether you are damned or not in their view. Why are you so concerned with us? I understand why this was the case when Christianity first started, since it started as Jewish sect. But that was 2,000 years ago. Time to grow up.

And yes, the unpleasant history we have had with Christians contributes
to my feeling of unease about this.
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LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SOME UNRESOLVED PAST PSYCHOLOGICAL

SITUATIONS IN YOUR STATEMENTS.

Also, it was the Ruthless Pagan Catholics who harmed the Jews using the Crusades.

Real Christians are humble and non-violent.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,

do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which

despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 
heir

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chair said:
Why are you so hung up on us Jews?
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You're not a Jew (Romans 11:32 KJV). You're just like everyone else!

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

You have no hope outside of the gospel of the grace of God (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)!
 
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OCTOBER23 said:
CHAIR said,

There is something unsettling about people constantly looking at you, in particular, and discussing whether you are damned or not in their view. Why are you so concerned with us? I understand why this was the case when Christianity first started, since it started as Jewish sect. But that was 2,000 years ago. Time to grow up.

And yes, the unpleasant history we have had with Christians contributes
to my feeling of unease about this.
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LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SOME UNRESOLVED PAST PSYCHOLOGICAL SITUATIONS IN YOUR STATEMENTS.

Also, it was the Ruthless Pagan Catholics who harmed the Jews using the Crusades.

Real Christians are humble and non-violent.
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And your comment justified it....
 
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heir said:
You're not a Jew (Romans 11:32 KJV). You're just like everyone else!

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

You have no hope outside of the gospel of the grace of God (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)!
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Why is it everyone takes that scripture out of context, as if HaShem is "grace-less"? Noah found GRACE in His eyes, for one. Grace is part of His nature, part of the foundation. His grace is His love crying out for His mercy. Peace
 
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chair

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OCTOBER23 said:
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LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SOME UNRESOLVED PAST PSYCHOLOGICAL

SITUATIONS IN YOUR STATEMENTS.
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There are unresolved psychological problems- among many Christians. There are a huge number of threads on this forum about Jews. Why?

OCTOBER23 said:
Also, it was the Ruthless Pagan Catholics who harmed the Jews using the Crusades.

Real Christians are humble and non-violent.
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It was not just the Crusades, and not just the Catholics.
 
CherubRam

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chair said:
Yes. There is something unsettling about people constantly looking at you, in particular, and discussing whether you are damned or not in their view. Why are you so concerned with us? I understand why this was the case when Christianity first started, since it started as Jewish sect. But that was 2,000 years ago. Time to grow up.

And yes, the unpleasant history we have had with Christians contributes to my feeling of unease about this.
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It was Jews who killed the first Christians. It was the Pagan Catholics whom killed the Jews. Get your facts straight.
 
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