JESUS IS NOT YHWH
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The scripture passage containing the Testimony of Messiah was quoted, (which you again omitted in your quoting from my post). You apparently have a problem with the Testimony of the one whom you claim is God Almighty; which again shows that you do not actually believe what you claim because, if you did, you would believe and adhere to his Testimony: every WORD.
keypurr
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keypurr
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Why do you overlook verse 15 in Col 1?
Trins do that all the time.
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Daqq doesn't believe in the Trinity, because Daqq believes that Daqq "gets" the lessons, even though the whole Church, right from the start, missed it somehow, and has been guilty of the highest treason and blasphemy, calling Jesus God, instead of "Master Teacher" and "Messiah," like Daqq the "Master Pupil" does.
Nihilo can neither prove the Trinity from the scripture, nor from the natural creation of Elohim, nor from any kind of natural symbolism or typology when such is compared to what the scripture actually says: but Nihilo cares nothing about such things, for his mind has been swiped clean like a credit card that is swiped to empty out a bank account: his brain has been powered down into sleep mode, the data banks are an empty desert wasteland with an occasional tumble weed passing by in the howling desert winds of his mind; for Nihilo has taken his refuge in a church system based on the world system rather than putting his trust in the Word of Elohim; for Nihilo has made his mother church and her dogmas and creeds his teacher and his guide.
Colossians 1:15 is positional in nature. Some tend to always overlook this.
Like I said.Nihilo can neither prove the Trinity from the scripture, nor from the natural creation of Elohim, nor from any kind of natural symbolism or typology when such is compared to what the scripture actually says: but Nihilo cares nothing about such things, for his mind has been swiped clean like a credit card that is swiped to empty out a bank account: his brain has been powered down into sleep mode, the data banks are an empty desert wasteland with an occasional tumble weed passing by in the howling desert winds of his mind; for Nihilo has taken his refuge in a church system based on the world system rather than putting his trust in the Word of Elohim; for Nihilo has made his mother church and her dogmas and creeds his teacher and his guide.
KingdomRose
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No, YOU are a polytheist. I worship ONE God---Jehovah, the Father and God of Jesus. You worship three Gods. To you, the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the H.S. is God. Three Gods.
You are supposed to turn off your mind and believe that 1+1+1=1. Nihilo has shown us the way.
It's really, really simple. You're overthinking it. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in one sense the same, and in another sense distinct. Sameness, and distinction, all throughout Scripture, and particularly prominent in the New Testament.You are supposed to turn off your mind and believe that 1+1+1=1. Nihilo has shown us the way.
If you were going to be given the death penalty unless you recanted, would you witness to the Resurrection?
What you are saying is that you are like a chameleon: when there needs to be a separation or distinction, like when I quoted Luke 4:17-20 where the Master reads Isaiah 61:1-2a and applies it to himself, then you either ignore what was posted or admit there is separation or distinction between your three entities. But when that same distinction might prove that you worship three Gods you suddenly deny those same distinctions, put on your Oneness-Modalist "Jesus is YHWH" hat, and change your tune, (or as in the case with a chameleon, you change your colors), so that no one will recognize you creeping around in the tree. :chuckle:
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The permanent union Of God with the Man Jesus did not occur until the resurrection.
Jesus went to the cross through His own faith in the Father who led Him to it.
The Gospels account is of how that came about, and it was not accomplished at Jesus birth.
LA
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Finally get that off your chest did you? I often wonder why you Unit-Arians are here. You clearly don't like any of us. :idunno:[/QUOTE]
You say such wicked things about those who believe the Father is the only true God, Who is greater than His Son, who in the end will be the equal of all of His brothers.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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One Universal Father-God....over all, in all, thru all.......
One Universal Father-God....over all, in all, thru all.......
Recognizing that the Universal Father has created(begotten) divine sons whom he calls 'gods' and furthermore qualify as 'elohim' (which includes human leaders, ruler, judges, administrators, etc.) does not make the recognizer a 'polytheist', for there is always and absolutely only ONE UNIVERSAL FATHER, whose primacy is foremost and utmost, because The Father is the Most High God, the Father of all in the cosmos. Only One eternal, infinite, universal, omnipresent, ultimate, primal DEITY...qualifies as 'Deity' proper, the First Source and Center of all things and beings, the unbegotten itself.
Recognizing this is wholly monotheistic, since there is only one divine Creative Nature, Essence, Being, even though there may be many gods, sons and co-creators within a universal hierarchy who are also 'elohim'.
There is always and forever one infinite and universal Father.
No problems.
God is ONE, always, forever. God extends himself and brings forth (begets) offspring. All is an extension of 'God'. There is only 'God', and the expression(s) of 'God'. One God Being.
One Universal Father-God....over all, in all, thru all.......
Recognizing that the Universal Father has created(begotten) divine sons whom he calls 'gods' and furthermore qualify as 'elohim' (which includes human leaders, ruler, judges, administrators, etc.) does not make the recognizer a 'polytheist', for there is always and absolutely only ONE UNIVERSAL FATHER, whose primacy is foremost and utmost, because The Father is the Most High God, the Father of all in the cosmos. Only One eternal, infinite, universal, omnipresent, ultimate, primal DEITY...qualifies as 'Deity' proper, the First Source and Center of all things and beings, the unbegotten itself.
Recognizing this is wholly monotheistic, since there is only one divine Creative Nature, Essence, Being, even though there may be many gods, sons and co-creators within a universal hierarchy who are also 'elohim'.
There is always and forever one infinite and universal Father.
No problems.
God is ONE, always, forever. God extends himself and brings forth (begets) offspring. All is an extension of 'God'. There is only 'God', and the expression(s) of 'God'. One God Being.
To see the Son is to have seen the Father. There is no minimalizing or politicizing a rebuttal to what that means... except by foul deceit or willful untruth.
No one but Jesus the Son can say... that to have seen Jesus the Son, is to have seen Jesus the Father.
(Isaiah 9:6)
Only self deceit can render any other conclusion.
John 12:27 “My soul is troubled. What should I say? ‘Father, keep me from having to go through with this’? No. This is the very reason I have come to this point in my life. 28 Father, bring glory to your name!”
Then a voice came from heaven. It said, “I have brought glory to my name. I will bring glory to it again.” 29 The crowd there heard the voice. Some said it was thunder. Others said an angel had spoken to Jesus.
30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now it is time for the world to be judged. Now the prince of this world will be thrown out. 32 And I am going to be lifted up from the earth. When I am, I will bring all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show them how he was going to die.
Lon said:
John 12:27 “My soul is troubled. What should I say? ‘Father, keep me from having to go through with this’? No. This is the very reason I have come to this point in my life. 28 Father, bring glory to your name!”
Then a voice came from heaven. It said, “I have brought glory to my name. I will bring glory to it again.” 29 The crowd there heard the voice. Some said it was thunder. Others said an angel had spoken to Jesus.
30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now it is time for the world to be judged. Now the prince of this world will be thrown out. 32 And I am going to be lifted up from the earth. When I am, I will bring all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show them how he was going to die.
Then a voice came from heaven. It said, “I have brought glory to my name. I will bring glory to it again.” 29 The crowd there heard the voice. Some said it was thunder. Others said an angel had spoken to Jesus.
30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now it is time for the world to be judged. Now the prince of this world will be thrown out. 32 And I am going to be lifted up from the earth. When I am, I will bring all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show them how he was going to die.
You are the wicked one. I pray that Jesus guides you into HIM. You call Him a liar and His Scrupture a liar.
You deny the honesty of John 5:39 and Isaiah 43:11
Is God or is not God the keeper of the scriptures?
Is God or is not God the ONLY Savior?
Isaiah 43:11
Uh huh. 99% of all self-identifying Christians confess that the Maker is the Trinity, and you instead confess that the Church that the Lord Jesus built upon Peter, and promised would never be prevailed against by the gates of Hell, was prevailed against by those gates, and rather extremely quickly too. And distinction is the word, not "separation," you made that up.
Would you be willing to die, testifying that the Resurrection is nonfiction history, or not?
Lon
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:nono: You and I disagree on what 'image' means, remember? I could have easily included it, but "my" point is that He is the Creator.
Verse 15 isn't needed for that so you are just Arian-driven to ask or demand it.
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