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You are a hateful false judge and you cannot deceive so easily.
Anyone can read what you wrote.
Here is the post where you call me blind and cannot discern the truth.
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You are a hateful false judge and you cannot deceive so easily.
Anyone can read what you wrote.
Here is the post where you call me blind and cannot discern the truth.
Greek Text more Reliable than Aramaic
Greek Text more Reliable than Aramaic
Actually, Jesus was bilingual, he could speak Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Latin. When a Roman centurion spoke to Jesus, in which language to you think he spoke in? Why are all the oldest NT Gospels written in Greek? We have over 5, 300 Greek manuscripts of the NT. Under the influence of Alexander the Great and his succeeding generals, the Jews were hellenized, forced into Greek culture in part, as well as their language. So much so that most of the burial tombs among the Jews are inscribed in Greek.
"In the next article in the same issue of Biblical Archaeological Review, the author, Pieter W. Van Der Horst, points out that no less than 1,600 Jewish epitaphs -- funerary inscriptions -- are extant from ancient Palestine dating from 300 B.C. to 500 A.D. The geographical spread of these inscriptions reveal that Jews were living all over the world at that time, especially the Roman period. In other words, when Jesus' brother James said in Acts 15, "Moses has been preached in every city for generations past and is read in the synagogues on every sabbath" (v.21), he was simply stating the truth. Peter, in his first sermon, enumerates a list of the countries from which Jews came to worship on that first Pentecost of the newly formed Christian Church (Acts 2:9-11).
Van Der Horst goes on:
"One of the most surprising facts about these funerary inscriptions is that most of them are IN GREEK -- approximately 70 percent; about 12 percent are in Latin; and only 18 percent are in Hebrew or Aramaic.
"These figures are even more instructive if we break them down between Palestine and the Diaspora. Naturally in Palestine we would expect more Hebrew and Aramaic and less Greek. This is true, but not to any great extent. Even in Palestine approximately TWO-THIRDS of these inscriptions are in GREEK.
"APPARENTLY FOR A GREAT PART OF THE JEWISH POPULATION THE DAILY LANGUAGE WAS GREEK, EVEN IN PALESTINE. This is impressive testimony to the impact of Hellenistic culture on Jews in their mother country, to say nothing of the Diaspora.
"In Jerusalem itself about 40 PERCENT of the Jewish inscriptions from the first century period (before 70 C.E.) ARE IN GREEK. We may assume that most Jewish Jerusalemites who saw the inscriptions in situ were able to read them" ("Jewish Funerary Inscriptions -- Most Are in Greek," Pieter W. Van Der Horst, BAR, Sept.-Oct.1992, p.48)." http://www.ntgreek.org/answers/nt_written_in_greek.htm
"Greek in Ancient Palestinian Judaism
But it also seems that Greek was known to ancient Jews. The influence of Greek culture in the first century is clear from the fact that the high priest in 37 A.D. had a strikingly Greek name--Theophilus. It is striking to me that he did not feel the need to change his name to a Semitic one--there was apparently no problem with this high priest being called Theophilus (Ant. 18.123).
Many sources could be cited here. Stanley Porter writes,
". . . Jesus would probably be best described as productively multilingual in Greek and Aramaic, and possibly Hebrew, though Aramaic would have been his first language and Greek and Hebrew being second or acquired languages. . . He may also have been passively multilingual in Latin, although if he had any knowledge of Latin at all it is likely that it was confined to recognition of a few common words. This depiction reflects the linguistic realities of the Mediterranean world of Roman times, including that of the eastern Mediterranean, and is supported by widespread and significant literary, epigraphic, and other evidence. As a result of the conquests of Alexander III ('the Great'), and the rule of the Hellenistic kings (the Diadochi and their successors), the Greco-Roman world was one in which Greek became the language of trade, commerce and communication among the now joined (if not always united) people groups. In other words, Greek was the lingua franca for the eastern Mediterranean world, displacing Aramaic. . . .
The arguments for the use of Greek in Palestine are based upon the role of Greek as the lingua franca of the Roman empire, the specific Hellenized linguistic and cultural character of lower Galilee surrounded by the cities of the Decapolis, and the linguistic fact that the New Testament has been transmitted in Greek from its earliest documents. There is also a range of incriptional evidence (e.g., Jewish funerary inscriptions), numerous Greek papyri, and significant literary evidence, including Jewish books being written in or translated into Greek in Palestine. From this range of evidence, the logical conclusion can be drawn that in fact a sizeable number of Jews in Palestine used Greek."--Stanley E. Porter, The Criteria for Authenticity in Historical-Jesus Research: Previous Discussion and New Proposals (London: T & T Clark, 2000), 134-5, 140-141." http://www.thesacredpage.com/2010/01/did-jesus-speak-greek.html
Greek Text more Reliable than Aramaic
Actually, Jesus was bilingual, he could speak Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Latin. When a Roman centurion spoke to Jesus, in which language to you think he spoke in? Why are all the oldest NT Gospels written in Greek? We have over 5, 300 Greek manuscripts of the NT. Under the influence of Alexander the Great and his succeeding generals, the Jews were hellenized, forced into Greek culture in part, as well as their language. So much so that most of the burial tombs among the Jews are inscribed in Greek.
"In the next article in the same issue of Biblical Archaeological Review, the author, Pieter W. Van Der Horst, points out that no less than 1,600 Jewish epitaphs -- funerary inscriptions -- are extant from ancient Palestine dating from 300 B.C. to 500 A.D. The geographical spread of these inscriptions reveal that Jews were living all over the world at that time, especially the Roman period. In other words, when Jesus' brother James said in Acts 15, "Moses has been preached in every city for generations past and is read in the synagogues on every sabbath" (v.21), he was simply stating the truth. Peter, in his first sermon, enumerates a list of the countries from which Jews came to worship on that first Pentecost of the newly formed Christian Church (Acts 2:9-11).
Van Der Horst goes on:
"One of the most surprising facts about these funerary inscriptions is that most of them are IN GREEK -- approximately 70 percent; about 12 percent are in Latin; and only 18 percent are in Hebrew or Aramaic.
"These figures are even more instructive if we break them down between Palestine and the Diaspora. Naturally in Palestine we would expect more Hebrew and Aramaic and less Greek. This is true, but not to any great extent. Even in Palestine approximately TWO-THIRDS of these inscriptions are in GREEK.
"APPARENTLY FOR A GREAT PART OF THE JEWISH POPULATION THE DAILY LANGUAGE WAS GREEK, EVEN IN PALESTINE. This is impressive testimony to the impact of Hellenistic culture on Jews in their mother country, to say nothing of the Diaspora.
"In Jerusalem itself about 40 PERCENT of the Jewish inscriptions from the first century period (before 70 C.E.) ARE IN GREEK. We may assume that most Jewish Jerusalemites who saw the inscriptions in situ were able to read them" ("Jewish Funerary Inscriptions -- Most Are in Greek," Pieter W. Van Der Horst, BAR, Sept.-Oct.1992, p.48)." http://www.ntgreek.org/answers/nt_written_in_greek.htm
"Greek in Ancient Palestinian Judaism
But it also seems that Greek was known to ancient Jews. The influence of Greek culture in the first century is clear from the fact that the high priest in 37 A.D. had a strikingly Greek name--Theophilus. It is striking to me that he did not feel the need to change his name to a Semitic one--there was apparently no problem with this high priest being called Theophilus (Ant. 18.123).
Many sources could be cited here. Stanley Porter writes,
". . . Jesus would probably be best described as productively multilingual in Greek and Aramaic, and possibly Hebrew, though Aramaic would have been his first language and Greek and Hebrew being second or acquired languages. . . He may also have been passively multilingual in Latin, although if he had any knowledge of Latin at all it is likely that it was confined to recognition of a few common words. This depiction reflects the linguistic realities of the Mediterranean world of Roman times, including that of the eastern Mediterranean, and is supported by widespread and significant literary, epigraphic, and other evidence. As a result of the conquests of Alexander III ('the Great'), and the rule of the Hellenistic kings (the Diadochi and their successors), the Greco-Roman world was one in which Greek became the language of trade, commerce and communication among the now joined (if not always united) people groups. In other words, Greek was the lingua franca for the eastern Mediterranean world, displacing Aramaic. . . .
The arguments for the use of Greek in Palestine are based upon the role of Greek as the lingua franca of the Roman empire, the specific Hellenized linguistic and cultural character of lower Galilee surrounded by the cities of the Decapolis, and the linguistic fact that the New Testament has been transmitted in Greek from its earliest documents. There is also a range of incriptional evidence (e.g., Jewish funerary inscriptions), numerous Greek papyri, and significant literary evidence, including Jewish books being written in or translated into Greek in Palestine. From this range of evidence, the logical conclusion can be drawn that in fact a sizeable number of Jews in Palestine used Greek."--Stanley E. Porter, The Criteria for Authenticity in Historical-Jesus Research: Previous Discussion and New Proposals (London: T & T Clark, 2000), 134-5, 140-141." http://www.thesacredpage.com/2010/01/did-jesus-speak-greek.html
keypurr
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Jesus is God
Yep, I understand it perfectly BR. It is exactly what I have been telling you for years now.
Yep, I understand it perfectly BR. It is exactly what I have been telling you for years now.
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keypurr
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Thank you, very informative post.
The Aramaic English NT, from what I understand, use the Eastern Church scripts, the Peshitta. I am just really getting into it. I find that it is more accurate than the Greek, but I am not an expert in it.
You have wasted 70 years studying scripture without the only One who can teach it truly....the Holy Spirit
Scripture without the Holy Spirit is like a locked door without a key.
I never learn from the drippings of the mere human intellect...in fact I spit it out.
I think the translators I use are not a whit behind the odd quacks you use...they also translated out of the original tongues.
Scripture truth has a weight of glory of it's own recognisable in whichever language it is written.
Your words do not have that weight of glory, that divine illuminance.
It plain doesn't taste right
John saw you coming, he stitches you up from whichever approach you make.
It does not matter what YOU say the Logos is
John says HE, He was in the beginning with God, HE was God, HE made all things, HE became flesh and dwelt among us.
You can't squirm around it
Not you, not shackles, not LA, not Pierac. not the Whites
......Uncle Tom Cobbler and all
You are such a deceitful person.
I responded to your false accusation of Keypurr.
You said you did not see any love in Keypurr, so I told you maybe you can not discern it.
Lying seems to be so easy for you, as you clamed I hated you, when I do not hate anyone.
LA
keypurr
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John NEVER said that Jesus was God. He speaks of the Christ spirit being with God at the creation. I am not the one squirming Totton, you are grabbing at the straws of tradition.
John doesn't have to Jesus said so himself.
John 8:58New King James Version (NKJV)
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
If you prefer the AENT, here it is
AENT Yochanan 8:58
Y'shua said to them, "Amen, amen I say to you that before Awraham existed, I was!"
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That is rubbish big time and you know it...who became flesh and dwelled among us?
He who was with God in the beginning and who was God?
Jesus Christ...John says it and you can't squirm out of it.
keypurr
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Christ spoke through Jesus, I have told you that many times.
Christ existed before the world did. But he is not God, he is a god. God created through Christ. His existence does not say or mean that he is God. I agree that he is a created form of God.
Why do folks add to what is written? We should not assume anything BR.
keypurr
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Jesus was flesh, he did not become flesh.
The express image of the Father became flesh, that would be the spiritual son in Heb 1.
Your rubbish truck needs to emptied Totton, it smells.
You Keypurr are a polytheist. I'm very disappointed in that friend.
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Tongues is still active in the church. The scripture says it will pass away, future tense. If you believe otherwise give book, chapter and verse to refute it.
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Speaking in tongues was a gift given, a sign, given (Isaiah 28:11) during the laying of the foundation of the Church (Hebrews 2:4). It was a sign to the Jews (Acts 2:6). Speaking in tongues has served God's purpose, God has given the sign (1Cor 14:21), and God has laid the foundation (Eph 2:20). Speaking in tongues by the Gentiles showed the Jews that God granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life (Acts 11:18). Tongue speakers spoke mysteries (1 Cor 14:2); consequently, the mystery of the gospel has been given (Eph 6:19). Speaking in tongues is the language of angels (1 Cor 13:1), angels minister to humans (Hebrews 1:14). Humans are to understand speaking in tongues in earthly languages (Acts 2:6, 11). Speaking in tongues would be “stilled” (1 Cor 13:8).
keypurr
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As I have told you many times my brother, I have only one God, the same God that Jesus Christ has.
You did not have to post all this gurbly de goop. 1 Corinthians 13:8 says that tongues will cease (future tense) not have ceased (Past tense). You have proved NOTHING!!!
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Do you have Jesus himself living inside you?