I am okay with you saying that. Your salvation does not depend upon it. Your beliefs about what God says is what matters. If you are saved but not by me I am okay with it.
Jesus died for the forgiveness of all your sins
- Thread starter Jacob
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You don't need to believe me. Believe God.
beloved57
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You teach that salvation depends on what a person does!
No. If you believe that it depends on what Jesus has done alone, then you are saved.
beloved57
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You don't believe God!
I do. But this was about sharing the gospel with you.
beloved57
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Yes you believe that salvation depends on what a person does, not what Christ did.
Salvation depends on what Christ did, not what you do.
beloved57
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Why do you teach salvation by works then ? How is that believing God
You say that I do, but I don't agree. All I have is what you are saying and I see no reason for you to object to scripture or my agreement with it.
beloved57
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Then why do you believe and teach that many that Christ died for are going to hell ?
beloved57
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You do teach salvation by works , by what a person does!
The only person who was never going to hell is Jesus.
Sorry, you are wrong. But it doesn't matter if you believe me, because I know the truth that salvation is not by works including what a person does.
beloved57
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Why do you teach that people Christ died for are going to die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 ?
beloved57
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No I don't believe you, a person who teach salvation by works , by what a person does!
Ben Masada
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No, he didn't. You want me to deny the Prophets of the Most High but take this to mind that I will never fall for your words.(Jer. 31:30; Ezek. 18:20)
Likewise, if Jesus never failed God, you want also that I deny the Tanach that says that, "It has never been upon earth a man who did only good and never sinned" but, the Lord is with me and I will never fall for your traps.(Eccles. 7:20)
beloved57
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Do you worship the golden calf as god ?
Believe the scriptures. Believe this scripture. Your understanding of it and what I teach are wrong. You are saying that I believe people Christ died for are going to die in their sins in belief. If this occurs the person goes to hell (or, rather the lake of fire). But if the person is saved before they die, the statement you have made about what I teach is false.
I believe Jesus died for me for the forgiveness of my sins. There is nothing you can do to take that away from me. I know it is true. I don't know if it is true for you, as I can only speak for myself.
If I say Jesus died for you and you don't believe it, that does not mean you will not be saved. But it does mean that if you are saved you don't understand your salvation. And, it does mean that if you are not saved but you will be saved, if you understand your salvation you will be able to say it yourself.
Jesus is Lord, whether you believe it or not. And no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
If you believe you are saved or you don't know if you are saved and you don't believe Jesus died for your sins, you don't understand salvation.
If you do not believe that doesn't change the fact that Jesus died.
Did Jesus die for anyone's sins? If so, whose? Maybe yours. But if you did not believe when you were presented with what Jesus did, then you are likely not saved. It's based on what Jesus did though, not whether or not you believed. You may have believed since then or you may believe still. You are commanded to believe, but it is the result of the word of God so not a work for salvation. Belief and faith are not considered works, and no one is saved by works. A person can believe or have faith, but then it is not this that they do that saves them. Though if they do believe or have faith, as with if you believe and have faith, then you are saved... based on what Christ alone did when He died for you. If you don't believe, I am not going to say He didn't die for you... because you still might believe. I hope you do if you have not already, or I hope you already have. I don't know. Only you know.
No need to go further with this. I have helped you to understand my position and you don't understand.