Ivermectin for covid 19

Yorzhik

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I'm going to ask a question at the end of this post that I'd like you to answer even if you don't address any other part of the post. That question is: Even if you believe the MSM, can you at least realize that those that don't believe the MSM are being completely reasonable?

Now on to the post wherein I admit I was wrong:

chair said:
What type of an argument is this? Because I read the papers and understand that some of these treatments are not effective- I am against finding treatment?
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That's not the argument. The argument is that the papers do not show that a host of treatments denigrated by the MSM, which you are agreeing with in this thread, don't work. The argument is questioning you as to why you still believe the MSM about these papers? Especially with their track record of lying and failure?

chair said:
Nonsense- this is just a more sophisticated way of calling me a 'retard'. I know that there has been great progress made in treatment, as one would hope and expect over time, and I am glad of it, as I am glad for the vaccine.

The bias is in those who insist, against all evidence, that the pandemic is fake, that the medical community are fools or tools of somebody evil.

You keep repeating that there are no excess deaths- you posted something about that a while ago- I don't recall where. There are numbers.

ourworldindata.org

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ‘normal’ conditions.1 In this case, we’re interested in how the number of deaths during the COVID-19...
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As I previously said, the devil is in the details. You'll notice they don't list the 15-64 deaths in the US. That isn't because the data isn't available, but because it shows a statistically significant bump in the graph for that age-group. Why, when that age group was far below the death rate for the flu? When a lot of young people die because of non-COVID causes is there a corresponding death rate increase in the aged and feeble? There typically is - in fact the typical rate of increase of the aged when excess young people are dying is similar to what we see in April 2020. So we know excess people are dying, but it isn't from COVID.

So, you are quite right that saying there are no excess deaths is wrong, but I'm using the statement as hyperbole to discuss the details. My guess is that you are too smart to get drawn into a discussion about the details because you'd rather believe the lie. Lies like Sweden being devastated by COVID when their death rates were only a little worse in the April and are much better than everyone else this Winter sick season, lies like masks work when we can't see any correlation between mask mandates and case data over time, lies like lockdowns work when people in locked down areas like NY are arguably dying faster than open places, lies like the vaccine is vital when the disease has a trajectory similar to any other flu in areas where the vaccine is minimal at best, and lies like we know for sure that asymptomatic spread is the driver of this disease when that is highly questionable and doesn't fit with intuition or overall trends.

Even if you believe the MSM, can you at least realize that those that don't believe the MSM are being completely reasonable? Can you go that far?
 
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I do not trust the MSM- but I trust the conspiracy nutcase sites less.
What I do trust are health organizations that publish hard numbers.

Here's a local example (Israel):
If I open the popular website ynet, they will have headlines about COVID- and include numbers. But they need sensational headlines. So they choose the data to look impressive. How? By choosing which day to look at- or which hours (rather than report what happened day by day, or trends, they pick 'the last 24 hours', or 'since Wednesday' and so on). Or they publish a sad human interest story about a two year old who is hospitalized with COVID. Everything they report is true- but very misleading.

If you go to the Ministry of Health site, you get real numbers, and real trends. For example- yes, there are sick two year olds- but very very few. And the data on deaths and infection rates is noisy- it varies day by day- so you have to look at trends.

When it comes to treatments- popular press is not reliable. But there are real facts.
 
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chair said:
I do not trust the MSM- but I trust the conspiracy nutcase sites less.
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Well there's your problem right there. Are you sure, as you state here, that anything that isn't the MSM is a conspiracy nutcase site?

chair said:
What I do trust are health organizations that publish hard numbers.
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Some of what you call "conspiracy nutcase sites" (and by 'site' I'm referring to all information outlets) use the hard numbers from health organizations. For example, when I listed a number of lies the MSM is telling, I'm comparing what the MSM is saying against the hard numbers from health organizations.

Here are a few conclusions you can come to using the hard numbers published by health organizations: Sweden was not devastated by COVID; their death rates were only a little worse in the April and are much better than everyone else this Winter sick season. Masks don't work very well against aerosolized infection spread when used properly and have negative impacts when used by the general public. We can't see any correlation between mask mandates and case data over time. Lockdowns don't work - full stop. The vaccine is not vital when the disease has a trajectory similar to any other flu in areas where the vaccine is minimal at best. Asymptomatic spread is not the driver of this disease when that is highly questionable and doesn't fit with intuition or overall trends.

One more thing. Are you sure you don't believe the MSM even though you consider them liars? Do you believe 450k people in the US died of COVID?
 
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Yorzhik said:
Here are a few conclusions you can come to using the hard numbers published by health organizations: Sweden was not devastated by COVID; their death rates were only a little worse in the April and are much better than everyone else this Winter sick season.
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Let's just do this Sweden thing.
You've said two things:
"Sweden was not devastated by COVID"- but what do you mean by 'devastated'?
"their death rates were only a little worse in the April and are much better than everyone else this Winter sick season. "- meaning what? That COVID hasn't affected them? Hasn't affected them worse than others?
 
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chair said:
Let's just do this Sweden thing.
You've said two things:
"Sweden was not devastated by COVID"- but what do you mean by 'devastated'?
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"Devastated" would mean that it was such a great deal worse that killing people via a bad economy would be a good idea. But like all other western countries, Sweden had a sick season that was a little worse than a normal flu season.

chair said:
"their death rates were only a little worse in the April and are much better than everyone else this Winter sick season. "- meaning what? That COVID hasn't affected them? Hasn't affected them worse than others?
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Obviously, if COVID exists, it has affected them. But you are asking me if COVID hasn't affected them? Can we have a respectful conversation if you are going to be such a conspiracy nutcase? Do you really believe that people that say lockdowns and mask mandates were an over-reaction don't believe COVID exists? The belief that there is a resistance majority that doesn't believe COVID exists is an MSM conspiracy and you really should learn to be more skeptical of people you know have lied to you before.

I'd rather get into the numbers of Sweden, but you'll need to be able to demonstrate you can have an honest conversation, first.
 
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chair said:
If I have to 'prove' myself to a complete stranger before having a discussion- well, I pass.
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Of course you don't have to prove yourself to me. I didn't ask for that. What I asked for was common courtesy which you weren't showing in your initial post. After I said, "their death rates were only a little worse in the April and are much better than everyone else this Winter sick season. "- You started your reply with, "meaning what? That COVID hasn't affected them?" ?!??!?!

The overall tenor of my response was in kind - disrespectful. I can respect what you post but have some common courtesy that I am reasonable on why I believe what I do. Can you do that?
 
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A recent clinical trial of ivermectin in the Argentinian hospital system produced spectacular results. … The study team recruited 1,195 health professionals, of whom 407 received no treatment and 788 received self-administered ivermectin oral drops and an iota-carrageenan nasal spray five times per day over a 14 day period. Carrageenan is an emulsifier extracted from red seaweed.


The Argentinian study team reported that the study data revealed that of the participants in the control group (those not taking the study drug combination), 58% of the participants were infected with COVID-19 during the duration of the trial. The study team reported no contagions were recorded in the carrageenan and ivermectin arm. So the result was 58% out of 407 not taking ivermectin became infected while nobody in the 788 people taking ivermectin were infected with the virus.


The same result was achieved in an informal experiment in a French nursing home which was having an outbreak of scabies. Ivermectin was prescribed to all residents and staff of the nursing home. While there were widespread casualties in nearby nursing homes, no deaths or severe cases of COVID-19 occurred among the residents and staff of the nursing home with the scabies outbreak.
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So it looks as if you have found medication for you, if you can obtain it.

Where I live (UK) the entire (willing) population over 70yrs will have received vaccination during this next week and all 65+ yrs folks will have been vaccinated by end of month.

We will have to wait until the end of March to discover whether this program has had a beneficial effect with Hospital admissions and deaths falling, but our medics are already telling us that the R number (rate of infection by each covid case) is falling below '1' to levels like last July.

And so the vaccination program, with social distancing, lockdown measures, hand washing and masks may reduce Covid cases down and give our laboratories time to research still more effective vaccines.

I hope your chosen medication works for you where you are.
 
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How soon can your County/State get such a medication out to all of the population?

How long before you can relax and open up your communities again? How much will this medication cost to distribute to each person and will your County/State pay for that?
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India is getting ivermectin out there for $2.95

While the World is on a vaccine frenzy, the Indian Government is distributing a home Covid Kit with Zinc, Doxycycline and Ivermectin. The cost $2.65 per person. pic.twitter.com/CphhwO8pXE

— Sam Bardo (@SamBardo1) December 16, 2020

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“By the end of 2020, Uttar Pradesh — which distributed free ivermectin for home care — had the second-lowest fatality rate in India at 0.26 per 100,000 residents in December. Only the state of Bihar, with 128 million residents, was lower, and it, too, recommends ivermectin,” writes Mary Beth Pfeiffer of TSN.


The same results hold for neighboring Bangladesh, one of the most densely populated nations in the world, where doctors also utilize an ivermectin home care therapy, and they have an even lower fatality rate, ranking 128thin the world.


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way 2 go said:
India is getting ivermectin out there for $2.95

While the World is on a vaccine frenzy, the Indian Government is distributing a home Covid Kit with Zinc, Doxycycline and Ivermectin. The cost $2.65 per person. pic.twitter.com/CphhwO8pXE

— Sam Bardo (@SamBardo1) December 16, 2020

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“By the end of 2020, Uttar Pradesh — which distributed free ivermectin for home care — had the second-lowest fatality rate in India at 0.26 per 100,000 residents in December. Only the state of Bihar, with 128 million residents, was lower, and it, too, recommends ivermectin,” writes Mary Beth Pfeiffer of TSN.


The same results hold for neighboring Bangladesh, one of the most densely populated nations in the world, where doctors also utilize an ivermectin home care therapy, and they have an even lower fatality rate, ranking 128thin the world.
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That's wonderful!
Are you in India? You just keep it up with those medications.

In the UK we have now vaccinated all willing folks over 70 years, and all folks over 65yrs will be jabbed by March 1st. We expected to have to wait at least until mid March to see any effect from all of this but already the hospital admissions of 80yr old is falling away and this group is showing a fast increase in the % that has high resistance to Covid.

So we are all doing out best. Good luck to you in India.,
 
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In the UK we have now vaccinated all willing folks over 70 years, and all folks over 65yrs will be jabbed by March 1st.
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Éclosion majeure dans un CHSLD où 96% des résidents avaient déjà été vaccinés​

In Montreal: "Epidemic in a care home that had 96% vaccination rate

good luck with the vaccine 🤪
 
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Éclosion majeure dans un CHSLD où 96% des résidents avaient déjà été vaccinés​

In Montreal: "Epidemic in a care home that had 96% vaccination rate

good luck with the vaccine 🤪
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Where I live we have vaccinated 15 million elderly people, myself being one.

There will have been some reactions, but all my elderly friends, neighbours and relatives have had no ill effects in recent weeks.

But thank you for your concerns.
 
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the wuflu vax has created 9 new billionaires
no way are the going to let ivermectin a cheap non patented drug
to be the alternative

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