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I have been out of town this weekend, so it is very possible I missed it. Sorry about that.You haven't clicked the many link ive been posting lately on it.
I have been out of town this weekend, so it is very possible I missed it. Sorry about that.You haven't clicked the many link ive been posting lately on it.
a) Cell phone grammar on a bus so no worries. b) Starting a rebuttal based on grammar is an extremely weak position to take. It makes look both petty and unable to address the point.Maybe you should worry about your grammar.
Thanks, Captain Obvious! Perhaps you should read what has been written and note the point being defended instead of just mindlessly trolling.
What about them? They are irrelevant to the point I was making.
Christian pacifism as demonstrated by Jesus stands up to our death culture, just as he did to the Roman Empire.I am a pacifist.
The thread is about murder not being the fault of a "gun culture" but a "death culture." Guns are relatively harmless, like knives. It takes a person with a certain mindset to commit murder; the focus should be on that mindset and what fosters it rather than on guns.
Christian pacifism as demonstrated by Jesus stands up to our death culture, just as he did to the Roman Empire.
The American Empire apparently believes that "Violence Saves."
War, genocide, capital punishment, murder and making decisions concerning another nation's sovereignty keeps the ol' Death Culture going.
It is pure silliness and a lack of imagination and creativity to still believe these days that giving in or fighting back are the only choices available to deal with conflict.
More murders are committed with guns, specifically handguns. The percentage of murders committed with all types of guns in 2014 was 69%. Knives accounted for 12% of the murders. However, more murders were committed with knives than with rifles and shotguns combined. Handguns were used more than knives.
Thank you, it only took you 19 pages, countless fallacies, dozens of strawmen, and about 10 incorrect interpretations of statistics for you finally arrive at the only point that really matters.
a) Cell phone grammar on a bus so no worries. b) Starting a rebuttal based on grammar is an extremely weak position to take. It makes look both petty and unable to address the point.
I did read the point and your contention that your two cites proved your point. They did not so I pointed out that your two studies are not comparing the same things based on two different weapons.
Really? Pray tell, why is the hand gun irrelevant to the point you were making?
You included all knives but not all guns. Why?
You haven't clicked the many link ive been posting lately on it. Suicides are always included in violent gun death stats.
There were 32,288 deaths from firearm violence in the United States in 2012, a rate that's remained relatively stable over the past few years. But since 2006, gun suicides have increased from 57 percent of all firearm-related deaths, according to research published this month in the Annual Review of Public Health. Gun deaths by suicide have outpaced homicide-related deaths in the United States over the past 35 years. But since 2006, the decrease in gun-related homicides have almost been matched by the increase of gun suicides, according to the study from Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California-Davis. |
I suppose the idea that I can stand 5-10 yards away with a standard clip and drop a moderate sized group of people is something worth mentioning. The fact that a firearm can cause more destruction to more individuals, faster, is something that I am not willing to ignore. You can't downplay the advantage of a firearm when comparing it to a knife.
This is exactly the kind of thinking that went into my view, that I want firearms, and I agree with the Second Amendment.That advantage is enormous and the fact that it is a serious consideration in comparison to a knife is ridiculous.
Rather it makes me look like someone not willing to guess what you meant to say when you are unwilling to write a comprehensible sentence.
Do you agree those studies support the claim that there are hundreds of thousands of knife injuries treated in ERs every year and tens of thousands of gun injuries treated in ERs every year?
elohiym said:Do you agree those studies support the claim that there are hundreds of thousands of knife injuries treated in ERs every year and tens of thousands of gun injuries treated in ERs every year?
I agree that it is a half truth.
Because my point was, "far more people are seriously injured by knives every year than by guns." See page 17.
The study I included was for all firearms injuries treated in the ER over the two year period. It was intended to show you how few gun-related injuries there are per year compared to knife related injuries, supporting my point above.
How so?
More people visit the ER every year for knife-related injuries than gun-related injuries.
The way you are using the data makes it a half truth.
Is it true that more people visit the ER every year for knife-related injuries than gun-related injuries? Yes or no? If you claim it's not true then post some evidence to prove it.
Sorry, won't be a party to your intentional deceptions.
I will not play your game. How many people use a knife on a daily basis? How many people use a gun on a daily basis? You are ignoring that crucial fact.You cannot disprove that fact more people visit the ER every year for knife-related injuries than gun-related injuries, so you have to dodge.
Not much to address. We have movies where all the problems are solved by killing the bad guy. We have pro life people who would happily kill doctors and mothers for participating in an abortion. On the pro choice side, we have the death of the baby. Both sides agree that somebody must die, they just disagree about who should die.Where have you addressed the topic of the OP? (Oh, that's right, you haven't.)
Moreover suicide by gun outnumbers homicide 2 to 1, homicide by gun has actually went down while suicide by gun has went up. Kind of an inconvenient truth about death by firearms...
There were 32,288 deaths from firearm violence in the United States in 2012, a rate that's remained relatively stable over the past few years. But since 2006, gun suicides have increased from 57 percent of all firearm-related deaths, according to research published this month in the Annual Review of Public Health.
Gun deaths by suicide have outpaced homicide-related deaths in the United States over the past 35 years. But since 2006, the decrease in gun-related homicides have almost been matched by the increase of gun suicides, according to the study from Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California-Davis.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-are-dying-from-gun-suicides-than-homicides/
Another stat that I came across is that gun related homicides are on a downward trend since the 90's.Excellent post, weird isnt it how they always include suicide in the numbers, guess they dont want people to understand that gun homicides are far far lower than those who defend themselves with them.