genuineoriginal
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Who or what is "the destroyer" mentioned in the verses you quoted?
Israel and my Fellow Jews. When do we begin the Omer Count, the Count of the Omer?
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Who or what is "the destroyer" mentioned in the verses you quoted?
I don't know and I don't know where you got what you had from.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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WatchmanOnTheWall
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See Jacob the Sabbath is on the 15th Aviv just as I've been telling you and as you have already agreed in this this earlier post, there is a Sabbath in the 2nd month on day 22:
This can only work with when Sabbaths are on days; 8, 15, 22 & 29 each lunar month.
I don't agree with you.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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They were your words. Not mine. Everyone else can see this.
Your words are not my words. Do you have a question about my words? Examine yourself. That I do not agree with you does not mean that I agree with you.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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Are you saying that you did not write this in this post below:
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?129091-TOL-treasure-hunt&p=5219386&viewfull=1#post5219386
Three things.
No. (My post, be it that this is my post with your asking me if it is or questioning me, a day or a number, should not change or affect your thinking if or when correct if you already know the truth.) This is a thread about the counting of the omer. (If you are not a Jew, of Israel, and you should not be linking to another thread, or otherwise have an interest in this discussion being that you should or should not find yourself out of place, especially if a relation to the topic or subject cannot be found or is not readily identifiable or identified, do not post here. Your post seems to be questioning about something of interest to you on another thread. It has not been shown what significance, relation, or relationship, it should or does have to the OP (the Opening Post) here.) It is my understanding that you edited your post. (I do not know in this if your post originally said omera in verse sixteen. This is not what the New King James Version, the English Standard Version, or the Tanach at Chabad.org say.)
WatchmanOnTheWall
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You are calling day 15 Aviv a Sabbath and in this post: http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?129091-TOL-treasure-hunt&p=5219386&viewfull=1#post5219386 you said there was a Sabbath on day 22 of the second month after leaving Egypt. Everyone can see you also believe there are Sabbaths on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each month which can only work with a Sabbath cycle that starts from new moon day and not on a continuous rolling cycle.
I don't believe what you are saying. I don't believe what you are saying that I do. This is your problem, not mine.
genuineoriginal
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Many people reject what the Bible clearly states when it comes to the counting of the omer.
genuineoriginal
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No, everyone else can see that you are wrong on this.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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In Leviticus 23 what day in the first month after leaving Egypt did God say to start counting the omar?
Leviticus 23:1 & 4-15
1The Lord said to Moses, 2“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
4“ ‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ ” 9 The Lord said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the Lord a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 15“ ‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks.
genuineoriginal
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Here is a comparison of the Biblical and Rabbinical ways to count the omer from last year:
Biblical counting of the Omer
| April 9, 2017 13 Nissan, 5777 | April 10, 2017 14 Nissan, 5777 Erev Passover | April 11, 2017 15 Nissan, 5777 Passover | April 12, 2017 16 Nissan, 5777 | April 13, 2017 17 Nissan, 5777 | April 14, 2017 18 Nissan, 5777 | April 15, 2017 19 Nissan, 5777 Sabbath |
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| April 16, 2017 20 Nissan, 5777 Count omer 1 during daylight Omer: Day one | April 17, 2017 21 Nissan, 5777 | April 18, 2017 22 Nissan, 5777 | April 19, 2017 23 Nissan, 5777 | April 20, 2017 24 Nissan, 5777 | April 21, 2017 25 Nissan, 5777 | April 22, 2017 26 Nissan, 5777 Sabbath |
Rabbinical counting of the Omer
| April 9, 2017 13 Nissan, 5777 | April 10, 2017 14 Nissan, 5777 Erev Passover | April 11, 2017 15 Nissan, 5777 Passover Count omer 1 after sunset | April 12, 2017 16 Nissan, 5777 Omer: Day one | April 13, 2017 17 Nissan, 5777 | April 14, 2017 18 Nissan, 5777 | April 15, 2017 19 Nissan, 5777 Sabbath |
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| April 16, 2017 20 Nissan, 5777 | April 17, 2017 21 Nissan, 5777 | April 18, 2017 22 Nissan, 5777 | April 19, 2017 23 Nissan, 5777 | April 20, 2017 24 Nissan, 5777 | April 21, 2017 25 Nissan, 5777 | April 22, 2017 26 Nissan, 5777 Sabbath |
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WatchmanOnTheWall
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The Bible gives the instructions, if you don't trust it or understand it then that should tell you that you need to trust it and should want to understand it. At the moment you have not give me the day it starts on. God gives the instructions in Lev23, do you want me to show you?
genuineoriginal
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According to the Bible, the counting of the omer is always supposed to fall on the first day of the seven day week, which is the same day as the Gentile Sunday.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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Here's the verses, what day in the first month after leaving Egypt did God name a Sabbath:
Leviticus 23:1 & 4-15
1The Lord said to Moses, 2“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
4“ ‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ ” 9 The Lord said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the Lord a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 15“ ‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks.