if there is one word in the bible we can take literally
it should be death
and
we need not define it
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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if there is one word in the bible we can take literally
it should be death
and
we need not define it
You are getting things out of Paul's words that he never intended to say. I don't think that is a good way to understand what he is writing about. That passage is referring to the way of grace, opposed to the way of law.
Aimiel
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Amen. :thumb:
Define "dead".
Luke 15 KJV
(24) For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
(32) It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
Luke 15 KJV
(24) For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
(32) It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
Define "death" & "dead".
John 5 KJV
(24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 5 KJV
(24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Define "dead".
Revelation 3 KJV
(1) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Revelation 3 KJV
(1) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Aimiel
Well-known member
Here's how Jesus thinks of death:
John 11:11
These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
We think of it as we see it... they are no longer in our realm, so it looks to us as if they are not alive, but gone. Jesus, having come from the spirit realm sees it as it is: sleep.
John 11:11
These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
We think of it as we see it... they are no longer in our realm, so it looks to us as if they are not alive, but gone. Jesus, having come from the spirit realm sees it as it is: sleep.
Zeke
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How can the new jerusalem be the mother of us all, is it a literal city floating up yonder or is it a symbolic teaching about the dormant brain cells in the right lobe of the brain that only devine light can wake up to birth the virgin child in us all?
I think you limit the dept of the spiritual meanings by literalizing them.
RevTestament
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Eternal punishment is in scope rather than time, although there is a time component. In other words the punishment is eternal in degree - nashing of teeth and all that.
Not alive.
But still conscious.