Remember that the parable in Luke 16 is a parable. Do you have any other evidence that dead people are conscious? In every other account of dead people in the Bible, none of them are conscious. I've seen dead people. They are not conscious. It is up to you to prove that dead people are conscious, you are making this claim and it is a bit farfetched. (Understatement, it is wildly farfetched)
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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Okay pal, show me where I EVER said the dead are asleep. I declare, you tormentists will say anything to justify your phony baloney.
The atheist and any unbeliever is dead in sin, yet they are conscious, because they are spiritually dead, have not been raised to life in Christ.
I already explained all that to you a few pages ago.
Are you trying to tell me that Atheists are dead, but conscious???
I know waht you are trying to say, but it doesn't hold water because they are not literally dead until they die.
You're calling the Lord a Liar?
Actually, you have seen dead bodies, not dead people.
"the body without the spirit is dead"
WHAT???!!!!
I absolutely DO NOT have to argue against the resurrection of believers. What are you talking about? I'm not even arguing against the resurrection of unbelievers. You don't know what I believe.
I believe that BOTH believers and unbelievers are resurrected by Jesus Christ on the lst day when he returns. I do not believe there are 1000 years after the last day. If there were, it would not be the last day. Eschatologically, I am Amil.
When Jesus returns both believers and unbelievers will be resurrected, just as Jesus Christ said. All will stand for judgment before Him. Those who are with Him will go to eternal life. Those who are against Him will go to the second death.
Don't attempt to argue against my position until you understand what my position is. :hammer:
Actually, you have seen dead bodies, not dead people.
"the body without the spirit is dead"
Actually, they were dead people. Yes, the body without the spirit is dead. That does not mean part of the person is alive and the rest of the person is dead.
You guys see dead people? You talk to them? They talk to you? They walk around? They don't even know they are dead? I'm talking about real life, and real death. Not a movie. Sixth Sense was a good movie, but it wasn't spiritually accurate.
So, human bodies are annihilated in the fire but the worms aren't?
Except for the worms. Right?
Uh......huh?
Believers will not stand before the Lord at the White Throne Judgement. It's only for unbelievers. The judgement for believers has already taken place at the judgement seat of Christ.
No, are you four years old?
Plaese give the chapter and verse for your belief.
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son (John 5:22)
Are you calling Jesus a liar?
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And you went on from there teaching that believers are not judged untill everyone else is at the white throne judgement, which is the teaching of soul sleep, we talked about it earlier in the thread and you never denied you believed it either and went on further into detail saying we are raised to be judged along with the ones who will end up in the lake of fire.
I refuted your claim about the judgment and you finally dropped that when i said this:
Lastly I am not your "pal" I am female.
Now you are showing yourself a liar, anyone can see what i said in my quote and i said spiritually, not literally/physically.
Keep playing games like that, and youll not have many to talk to, because dishonesty like that makes for poor discussion.
Okay lady, I guess you didn't understand what I was asking. I will ask again. Tell me where I ever said the dead "SLEEP".
Clue: When a persons biblical position demands that they start being dishonest to support that position, its a huge clue that persons biblical position is just as lacking in truth.
Sure, here's the short version. Google "Bema Seat" for more in depth study, which you obviously need.
http://www.gotquestions.org/judgment-seat-Christ.html
I completely understood it and you admitted it but said that you felt it to be insulting to have your belief called "soul sleep" and anyone can trace back through this thread and see it all themselves, im not digging up your dishonesty again like i just had to.
You've shown me enough already to discard your position due to your dishonesty.