Timotheos,
Never has before and still does not.
I have believed the Gospel as it was given and has been preserved unchanged by man. That does not quality as being Roman Catholic. However, you clearly hold to a view that was resurrected by man, an heretical view for the Church which is guided and guarded by the Holy Spirit.
You can hold to such a view, but it will never be the meaning of scripture as it has been preserved by the Holy Spirit.
Tim said:I haven't ignored what scripture teaches, Scripture teaches exactly what I said. You must ignore scripture to come up with the doctrine that the wages of sin is NOT death but eternal conscious torment in hell instead of death. Read Romans 6:23 and tell me what it says.
I already have explained it to you. You have not given any evidence to the contrary. Find an historical record that the death of Rom 6:23 is a physical death rather than a spiritual death. At the same time you need to show that the Church has always held this view.
You have not even come close to explaining what scripture means. You have adopted someone else's interpretation, probably with some nuances more acceptable to you. Give some evidence other than your opinion or some other modern guys opinion that scripture has always meant that death of Rom 6:23, or the Second Death, or a separation from God spiritually is always a physical death.
So, I accept the Gospel of Christ as He gave it, has preserved it, not some modern man's version of it. If I have not already mentioned it, the Church declared for the Orthodox that annihilationism is a heresy by the 5th Ecumenical Council.
Annihilationism? What's that? I believe that the wages of sin really is death, just as the Bible says. Has the 5th Ecumenical Council declared the Bible to be heresy now? Who are they anyway? Why should I believe them over the plain words of scripture? what were their reasons for rejecting Romans 6:23, John 3:15-16, and all of the other scriptures which prove that the lost will perish in the coming judgment?
Anyway, believe what you want. I believe that the wages of sin is death and the lost will perish just as the Bible says. I believe that only those who put their faith in Jesus Christ will inherit eternal life. If that makes me a heretic, then I am a heretic along with Jesus Christ.
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I just read the 5th Council's decree and I find nothing in it condemning Conditional Immortality (the doctrine you like to call Annihilationism).
I get the distinct feeling that people will say anything to discredit a hated doctrine (Conditional Immortality) with actually knowing if what they say is true or not.
(I think you may be confusing Conditional Immortality with Universalism, a lot of people get to two doctrines mixed up.)
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