Right, right, but applying rape laws to a marriage doesn't weaken the institution of marriage. You aren't criminalizing sex. You are criminalizing an act of violence against a spouse.
Is marital rape scripturally defensible?
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Right, right, but applying rape laws to a marriage doesn't weaken the institution of marriage. You aren't criminalizing sex. You are criminalizing an act of violence against a spouse.
ok doser
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see the post where I said I don't care about that story.
kmo - that's the new definition of rape
and if there's no violence involved?
genuineoriginal
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A wife goes to the police with this story:
| When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’” Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped. |
Should anyone listen to her?
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see the post where I said I don't care about that story.
and it is irrelevant.
Are you saying that abusing your spouse doesn't violate the command to love one another? :freak:
ok doser
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not at all, kat
it's the new definition of rape
and a perfect example of a non-violent "rape"
ok doser
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define "abusing"
genuineoriginal
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Are you saying that you don't know how to read good?
I asked where Matthew 7:12, 1 John 3:15, 1 John 4:20, 1 Corinthians 13, and Romans 13:8 mentioned spousal abuse, and never got a good answer.
My comments aren't about that.
If there's not any amount of violence then is it really rape?
No, and I've said a few times now that I'm not talking about that scenario.
I didn't bring up the term, so however others meant it.
go said:
What did GO mean by that?
Is abusing your spouse fulfilling the Golden Rule? :idunno:
Do you think abusing your spouse is an act of love?
ok doser
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genuineoriginal
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This thread is speaking about this:
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Sexual ethics: Consent: Present and historical perspectives
From a human rights and international law perspective, consent is a key issue in sexual ethics. Nevertheless, historically, this has not necessarily been the case. Throughout history, a whole range of consensual sexual acts, such as adultery, fornication, interracial or interfaith sex, 'sodomy' (see sodomy laws) have been prohibited; while at the same time various forced sexual encounters such as rape of a slave, prostitute, war enemy, and most notably of a spouse, were not illegal. The criminalization of marital rape is very recent, having occurred during the past few decades, and the act is still legal in many places in the world.
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Enthusiastic consent, as expressed in the slogan "Yes means yes," is typically the focus of liberal sexual ethics, rather than marriage. Under that view passivity, not saying "No," is not consent.
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First, rape is redefined to mean a non-consensual act.Sexual ethics: Consent: Present and historical perspectives
From a human rights and international law perspective, consent is a key issue in sexual ethics. Nevertheless, historically, this has not necessarily been the case. Throughout history, a whole range of consensual sexual acts, such as adultery, fornication, interracial or interfaith sex, 'sodomy' (see sodomy laws) have been prohibited; while at the same time various forced sexual encounters such as rape of a slave, prostitute, war enemy, and most notably of a spouse, were not illegal. The criminalization of marital rape is very recent, having occurred during the past few decades, and the act is still legal in many places in the world.
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Enthusiastic consent, as expressed in the slogan "Yes means yes," is typically the focus of liberal sexual ethics, rather than marriage. Under that view passivity, not saying "No," is not consent.
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Next, rape is redefined to include sex between a husband and a wife.
Third, rape is redefined to include all sex that in not actively consented to.
ClimateSanity
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No. But that's why its probably rare that marital rape occurs. No violence, just lack of verbal consent.
genuineoriginal
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Maybe you can find a verse that specifically deals with abuse of a spouse.
So far, no one has been able to find one.
The closest anyone has come is to claim that the golden rule is so general that it probably applies.
ok doser
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the new definitions don't require either of those
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