Your problem is that you conflate His kingdom of priests with His new creature.
Are you thinking Jesus was a descendant of Aaron?
Your problem is that you conflate His kingdom of priests with His new creature.
No.Are you thinking Jesus was a descendant of Aaron?
1. With water
2. With the Spirit
3. Into death
4. By the Spirit into the Body
Which one is the "one"?
One baptism, consisting of physical water and the infilling of the Holy Ghost, with the initial evidence of speaking with tongues. Two elements, one baptism "into Christ".
The Spirit led the man Christ Jesus into the will of the Father, which was his physical death, so it's hard to separate the baptism that He had yet to go through from his Spirit Baptism.
In order for us to remain sons of God we must be led by the Spirit of God (Romans 8), so in that sense we must "be baptized with the baptism that He is baptized with".
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- Can you provide any support for your argument that eternal security doesn't exist?
- If you walk away then you never knew Him and He never knew you.
- Of course that's not the question, as they clearly were since they received the Holy Spirit.
- Do you have an answer to your own question?
- Since when is Peter commanding anyone to do anything? Is he God?
Where is your evidence this man was saved prior to fornicating?
Where is your evidence that he started out saved?
And what did Paul say about those in Christ in 1 Corinthians 6:11? Are they fornicators?
We all agree that we need to be obedient to God. Your problem is you think that denying ungodliness, etc. is the obedience required to be saved.The problem I have with MAD is that I see it as a doctrine born out of a desperate desire to prove that no obedience is required in order to be saved, and no amount of disobedience can amount to walking away from God (i.e. being lost).
It makes living for God a matter of thinking the thought "I believe", after which time you can live any way you wish. It totally "turns the grace of God into lasciviousness (license to sin)", but of course that scripture was written by Jude, therefore only being applicable to Jews in their view.
They turn any obedience to God into a "work to earn salvation" so they can convince themselves that anything that is easy on their flesh is perfectly ok, and anything that is a "living sacrifice" is poison (lest we try to earn God's grace).
Of course they have to also twist Paul's words because he says a lot that doesn't agree with their doctrine, but they are ok with that I guess.
I hate to put it that bluntly, but it is the truth
I'll add that some have been deceived honestly, but "flesh" is the underlying driver behind it.
Truly honest people will understand that we can't earn God's grace, but GRACE, according to Paul, teaches and enables us to "deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world".
Obedience in light of grace is Paul's way of putting it. Romans 12:1-2. Grace renews our minds, and teaches us how to prove what is the good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. The chapters following tell us how to prove that by "keeping our flesh in subjection". Paul said that even he would be a castaway if he didn't keep his flesh under the rule of the Spirit of Holiness.
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We all agree that we need to be obedient to God. Your problem is you think that denying ungodliness, etc. is the obedience required to be saved.
But he had to obey for grace to save him!!
Once you're in the Body of Christ, you are not your own, you've been bought. You have an OWNER.
Tough...deal with it.
So I guess you're quite comfortable with a belief system that says "once you believe, do whatever seems best to you - don't inconvenience yourself to try to line up with the things God endorses, lest you be guilty of trying to work your way to heaven".
Why would I think that?
I'm guessing you're one of those who say, "If I believed like you, I'd just go out and rob a bank and murder".
That says a lot about you.
Saved first, then walk. Yes, that is correct.Actually that's quite far from what I believe. We are saved by grace - 100%. It is God's grace that caused Him to go to Calvary, and His grace that loved us while we were yet sinners. His grace alone offers salvation to us. We cannot even desire to change unless prompted by grace.
However, to receive God's grace we must first accept it, then walk in it.
See... there you go again. It's all about YOU. What YOU think, what YOU do....The biggest disagreement I have with this type of thinking is that I believe you can choose to walk away from God. He gives you the choice to not spend eternity with Him if you so desire.
That choice begins in your mind, and is implemented in your actions. Loving sin more than Him (i.e. the works of the flesh), and dying without changing that choice, will amount to rejecting God's grace.
The water ceremony belongs to Israel and not YOU.If God says to be baptized, doing so isn't trying to earn salvation, its simple obedience. Refusing to do so is rejecting God's grace.
Salvation from drowning is NOT the same as the grace offered in this dispensation. Noah was told to build an ark, YOU are not. You are told to believe that Christ did it all and that you are complete in Him, but you don't believe it.God's grace was extended to Noah with an offer of Salvation. Without obedience, Noah would have squandered grace, and died with everyone else. Did Noah earn that grace? Absolutely not!! You can't earn grace!! But he had to obey for grace to save him!!
Salvation was "handed" to me. I could do absolutely NOTHING to please God.
But, he is pleased with his Son, and the Father placed me in the Son.
The water ceremony belongs to Israel and not YOU.
There's a verse for that.
Acts 10:43-47
Well apparently it's not for Israel but everyone Also this shows that people are saved prior to their water baptism through faith. Dang!
Yes, he did what he knew right up UNTIL God told him something different.Paul had people baptized. Gentiles and Jews.
Yes, he did what he knew right up UNTIL God told him something different.
God uses PROGRESSIVE REVELATION. He did NOT reveal all of His plans in Genesis 1:1.