Caledvwlch
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No way dude, I am un-get-over-able. Better men have tried and failed. I, unfortunately am doomed to forever be under myself.Lighthouse said:
Is calling Beanieboy a . . .
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To an extent. Why?The Edge said:
When I first came to TOL, I thought Bob was nothing more than a hateful bigot, and full of himself, and full of other things, as well. After getting to know him, and read his material, and seeing what the Bible actually says, I changed my attitude.
I came to TOL, made my first post, in August of 2003.
Caledvwlch
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And, if that's the case, then why did you say it in the first place?Lighthouse said:
Because somebody had said it about him before, and I thought it was because he had said it. But since I hadn't seen him say it, I didn't say it was a fact.
I don't understand why Dave can't just say "homosexuality." Or "Holy Spirit."
No, it wasn't a disclaimer. But I honestly wasn't sure if Dave had ever done that or not. And that was the only thing I could think of.
Because, I think that Bob Enyart is very smart, and has some good ideas, but I still think he's full of himself. I agree with a lot of what he says though. However, I have never seen any of his followers be humble or admit they are wrong or be willing to accept correction or deal with their own sin (I'm not saying this of you, don't get me wrong here). And that disturbs me.Lighthouse said:
Ecumenicist
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On Fire said:
I'm going to answer your question
honestly (for me), "I can't judge." I've said it many times, there are so
many OT laws, and Christ upheld some and dismissed
others as "ritual purity," and the only fair metric I've
found for determining which laws have teeth and which
apply more to ritual purity are dependent on whether a person is hurting
self or others.
In some cases, yes, homosexuality is very harmful to
self and others. In other cases, like committed
relationships that are loving and not destructive or
harmful in any way, no one is harmed.
Like I said, promiscuity is the enemy, it spreads disease,
destroys families. and diminishes human dignity.
Dave
On Fire
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Dave Miller said:
So the only things you are willing to call outright sins are those things that hurt self or others? But that implies that you are able to rightly "judge" what things are or are not harmful.
How much credence do you give to God's creation and what it seems to imply about relationships and sexuality?
SUTG
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Poll: Is calling Beanieboy a faggot a Christ-like thing to do?
That is a tough one. Since no-one agrees on whether christ existed, who he was, or what he was like, the phrase "christ-like" doesn't seem to have that much meaning.
To me, a more interesting question would be to ask how many of those calling Beanieboy names for tolerating homosexuals are Roman Catholic. In light of the recent happenings in the church, these people could use a lesson in consistency.
That is a tough one. Since no-one agrees on whether christ existed, who he was, or what he was like, the phrase "christ-like" doesn't seem to have that much meaning.
To me, a more interesting question would be to ask how many of those calling Beanieboy names for tolerating homosexuals are Roman Catholic. In light of the recent happenings in the church, these people could use a lesson in consistency.
Ecumenicist
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On Fire said:
In a way, I agree with what you're saying here, I cannot judge, and that's
one reason why I say, again, I cannot judge, and not judging means not
saying its either sin or not sin.
However, on the other hand,
I know people in loving, committed homosexual relationships who do no harm
to themselves or others. They're just sweet people trying to get along in a
world that hates them, and they're told every day of the week that God hates
them as well.
Whe I apply the golden rule, and wonder how I would feel if our roles were
reversed, teh only reference I have is my relationship with my wife. If someone
told me they hated me and God hated me because of my committed relationship
with my wife, I would not be a happy camper, in fact I would reject whatever
god they tried to sell me based on those criteria.
Now, when you talk about a gay lifestyle which includes promiscuous
behavior, absolutely, sin, evil.
Alot, and that's why I agree that its an anomolly.
One Eyed Jack
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Crow said:
I was wondering about that one, myself.
Agape4Robin
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Homosexuality is sinful and "evil" because God says so. He's already made the judgement. Not me.
It's my responsibility to tell of the hope that I have in Christ, not damn someone to hell for their behavior.
It's my responsibility to tell of the hope that I have in Christ, not damn someone to hell for their behavior.