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Is believing/faith a work ?
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"You shall be saved."
NOT "You are saved."
Yes, I am reading other people's mail.
Just today I read from the Romans' and Galatians' mail.
Duh. That's what I said. Please pay attention. Did you even bother reading past the first few words?
Except that Romans and Galatians are addressed to the members of the Body of Christ. You keep reading letters addressed to the nation of Israel, and addressed to a future generation, specifically of Israel, and claim that they are written to you.
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1Cor 1:18 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
I don't agree with you that Romans 9 must be translated in the only way you have translated it without any other applications.
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John Calvin isn't canonical Calvinism though.
These people ...
Westminster Assembly - Wikipedia
... created three works ...
Westminster Confession of Faith - Wikipedia
Westminster Shorter Catechism - Wikipedia
Westminster Larger Catechism - Wikipedia
... which are canonical Calvinism. These are my sources for what constitutes Calvinism, and even if John Calvin himself contradicts any their contents ... Calvin is wrong.
iow the Westminster standards are the steel man (opp. of straw man) Calvinism, so if you're going to attack Calvinism use the Westminster standards, and not John Calvin himself.
No it doesn't. I told you to watch the movie, you just scoffed and dismissed it. It's a fictional story but it's not illogical, and it's not contrary, let alone contradictory, to genuine free will.
lol yes.
But never unjustly and never to our detriment and never against our free will. His intervention is borderline miraculous, so the accurate word here is that His intervention is providential. If He doesn't intervene nobody will be saved.
It's not false. The only school of theology, which adequately addresses theodicy, is Catholicism. And even there, it's extremely vague and expansive. It's hard to believe, unless and until you believe in Catholicism.
It doesn't matter, it's an existential problem for both you and for Calvinists, canonical or otherwise. And I mean, both your schools of thought threaten the existence of the concept of deity which you both say you believe in. For Catholics, everything is leading to the engulfing of the whole Earth by Catholicism, which will be the culmination of our prayer petition, "Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven." Everything that happens is ultimately leading to that end. Neither Dispies nor Clavinists have as satisfying a solution.
imo, of course.
Agreed. It also can be an effect of Islam, they have a similar concept of exhaustive sovereignty, where every atom is controlled by their concept of deity "Allah." Both Muslims and Calvinists can fall into the pit of what is basically fatalism; agreed.
I hopped into that pit once myself. That's why I freely chose to become Catholic. Fatalism is a dead end, you realize, by God's grace. Then you embrace your freedom of choice, and make one, rather than just go with the flow.
No: I know you're not going to watch the movie, so all I can say is No; your characterization of the plot is incorrect.
I'm not doing that.
You have to go by the Westminster standards linked above.
I read that book, it was not a fun read, and I realized that it was actually quite a bit less cogent than Calvinist thinkers who lived centuries after Calvin did. It was part my own uncovering that John Calvin was merely a Jed Clampett theologian. The Westminster standards are more like the BP's, the Exxon-Mobil, the Shell's of bubblin crude, Texas Tea. Calvin was just out shootin for some food.
No, God did not hate Esau.
Then that makes you wrong. Not because we say so, but because you go against scripture.
Fact: "Love and hate" is a Hebrew idiom that means "to love more and to love," respectively. It means that you love one person or thing over another so much that it's as if you hate the latter.
This idiom is used throughout scripture, even by Jesus Himself, and contextual clues tell us that when it is used, it should NOT be taken woodenly literally, else a contradiction arises, but as the idiom that it is.
God, in writing the Mosaic Law, wrote as one of them, "Honor your father and mother," and, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (You can't love your neighbor as yourself if you don't even love yourself.)
Yet Jesus said:
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. - Luke 14:26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke14:26&version=NKJV
Was Jesus therefore contradicting Himself? NO!!!!
Jesus was using the idiom "to love and to hate" to show that our love for Him should be so much that it's as if we hate, even forsake everything else, as 14:33 says.
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. - Matthew 10:34-39 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew10:34-39&version=NKJV
Another passage that comes to mind where this idiom is used is with Rachael and Leah, in Genesis 29:31, where it says Leah was "unloved" by Jacob. Jacob loved Rachel more than he loved Leah. It literally says so LITERALLY ONE VERSE PRIOR!
Then Jacob also went in to Rachel, and he also loved Rachel more than Leah. And he served with Laban still another seven years.When the Lord saw that Leah was unloved, He opened her womb; but Rachel was barren. - Genesis 29:30-31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis29:30-31&version=NKJV
Jacob just spent the past seven years working to obtain Rachel, but got Leah, then spent another 7 years working to ACTUALLY obtain Rachel. Do you really think that Jacob hated Leah? Or could it be that Jacob just loved Rachel more than he did Leah?
Likewise, could it be that God simply loved Jacob more than He loved Esau?
And could it be that when God said "Jacob I have loved, and Esau I have hated," He was talking about the two nations, choosing one (Israel) over the other (Edom), and that the older (Edom) shall serve the younger (Israel),
God never hated Esau, let alone before he was even born!
That means you believe false doctrine. You should humble yourself and ask God for wisdom and clarity.
What about it?
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No clue what you're talking about. I have not "translated Romans 9".
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You claimed that God "hated Esau FROM THE BEGINNING". That would be BEFORE Esau did anything.
I doubt it.
Again with the nobody but Gentiles are in Christ fable?
I don't believe that for a nanosecond.
God wants all to be saved, and He supplied one way for both Jew and Gentile to walk in order to obtain that salvation.
Thanks be to God !
Amen to that !
And I am hoping I will find my name in the book of life at the last day's judgement.
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Indeed and it directly contradicts what you said earlier.
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You really need to stop lying about what others say. It's a sin.
Not really.
I have amended that post.
You hold the notion that Hebrews are not in the body of Christ, so where is the lie?
They were the first folks to be baptized into Christ Jesus. (Acts 2:41)
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The post has not been edited. It still says exactly what it said before.
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That is false. I believe that anyone can be in the body of Christ.
You have a totally confused reading of scripture. They were Israelite's fulfilling prophecy for Israel.
Does God hate those that hate God? I think so.
Psalm 139:20-22
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20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
God in His foreknowledge knew every human that would ever live and He comprehended all future events before the earth was created. Furthermore, Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:8