drbrumley
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You have yet to answer why you wear your wedding ring.
Is Baptism a requirement for Salvation
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You have yet to answer why you wear your wedding ring.
Negative, I just don't water it down, As paul said, for Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the gospel. Don't you know that the gospel has the God given power to baptize without water?
I don't wear a ring but I own one. My wife loves me without wearing it.
genuineoriginal
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I don't remember seeing any verses to support your claim.
Is it from a doctrine of men instead of the Bible?
So, water baptism for the remission of sins does not put away the filth of the flesh? Explain. Where did your sins go if you did not wash them away with water?
Don't you know, you can't wash away your sins, you have to be circumcised to escape your sin.
You apparently can't see anything concerning salvation without a sign. As paul said...
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
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Why was Paul sent not to water baptize?
Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Did Jesus have to fulfill all righteousness?
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:
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But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:
Compare to..
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock
Yes it does...and must be to escape sin, you can't just wash sin away.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
You're following an example.
drbrumley
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Simple....the gospel saves....that was Paul's motivation...that's why Paul was sent, to preach the gospel.
Baptism is not the gospel, as baptism doesn't save a soul just like my ring doesn't make me married.
Of course not. But it is still not required for salvation
drbrumley
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You are all over the map friend....you were speaking of actual circumsion of the jews and now you refer to the spiritual circumsion of Christ.
Please stick to the topic
Yes actually, it's an operation of God and more powerful (more actual) than an operation of men as given to Abraham. It's like water baptism is an operation of men but baptism by the Spirit supersedes water baptism.
Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
drbrumley
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So an uncircumsised man cannot be saved? Am I hearing you correctly?
Look at the verses i gave you..
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
What do they mean to you?
drbrumley
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It sure doesn't mean my uncircumcised neighbor, although he gave his heart to Christ, is lost because a piece of flesh wasn't cut off....
Man, the beliefs of some people.
I did not define which because I wanted to capture your attention. You did the same referring to baptism, you did not clarify which. But still baptism and circumcision are required and both now are an operation of God not men, God's operations supersede man's in such a way that the rituals should not be performed by men now because they fly in the face of God. They are false and bare deception.