If you are an "OTHER" you are not my brother
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Wick Stick
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I did not remember it this way, so I had to go do my homework.
Scholarship does not seem to be nearly as agreed on this as they were 10 years ago. The idea that the Qumran community was an important center of Jewish life seems to have gone by the wayside. It seems to be accepted that the sect practicing the Community Rule was a little more widespread, and connected with a number of towns and cities. There is some doubt as to whether "Essenes" is the correct moniker for the group.
Whether the people who wrote the scrolls were "Essenes" or not, or connected to Qumran, they certainly identified their founder as "Zadok," as also the more familiar Sadducees of the New Testament. A prominent Jewish rabbi wrote something lengthy about common doctrinal positions between the two sects, it seems.
Yet, they do not self-identify as Zadokiy in their writings, and their Zadok appears to be the Teacher of Righteousness (Tsedeq/Zadok), rather than the Hasmonean heir literally descended from the priest named Zadok under the reign of Solomon.
My judgment (do I get one?) based on experience in history and mythology of the ANE suggests that the two groups came from common origin, and had some catastrophic split. Nobody can hate a catholic like an ex-catholic, and vice versa. Likewise nobody could hate the "Zadokiy" of the temple more than the "Zadokiy" of the wilderness.
Fun theory, but a tough one to prove or disprove. I still trip over any association between the House of Annas and the Qumran community. Such was explicitly forbidden, it seems.
Also, it seems Jesus taught directly against several of the rules of the Damascus document, such as gleaning on the Sabbath, associating with sinners and Gentiles, and breaking the Sabbath in order to save a life. All of these points are captured rather intentionally in the gospels, it seems. Did Luke write his gospel against the Damascus document? It seems he might have.
5 books of Moses + 4 major prophets + 12 minor prophets + John equals 22. Who are the other 2? David?
(Pseudo)Dionysius wrote a book called Celestial Hierarchy in the 4th or 5th century. It's either a mystical Christian book about the orders of the heavens and angels, or it's meant to be interpreted. Possibly both.The throne of Elohim is the `araphel in the heavens of the man, each and every man, whether he or she knows it or not. Your heavenly Father is in your heavens; and whatsoever you shall loose upon your earth shall be loosed in your heavens, and whatsoever you shall bind upon your earth shall be bound in your heavens, for every man is the Land. Dionysius I do not know.
The famous quote "as above, so below" is purportedly from this book (although I seem to find the same idea much earlier in Egyptian Hermeticism).
Jarrod
Ben Masada
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How about you FP, where do you think you are going to when you kick the buck, not to hell? We won't see it but that's where we are all heading to whether we want it or not. That's reality.
Hmmm, does Peter say that David is a prophet in Acts 2:30? in his discourse quoting from Psalm 16:8-11 in Acts 2:25-31? Also tradition says that Moses wrote not only Psalm 90 but the ten Psalms beginning with Psalm 90. In John 10:34 Yeshua implies that the Psalms are "law", for he says, "Is it not written in your law?", and then quotes from Psalm 82:6. The Psalms are at the very least statutes and ordinances because so much of them are penned at the hands of kings, (and therefore "kings law"). For instance Ahaz-Hezekiah is believed to have penned at least fourteen of the fifteen "Psalms of Ascent", "Psalms of the Steps", or "Psalms of Degrees", (likely in reference to the ten steps or degrees on the sundial of Ahaz which were a sign and added fifteen years to his lifespan along with the promise that he would be healed and go up into the house of YHWH in the Third Day). If therefore King David was a Prophet I see no problem with him being called an Elder in the Throne Room.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
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Adding to some real truth-smack shared earlier here,
You might do well to get beyond 'labels', since you cant judge a book by its cover. You may also do well to consider that some have an aversion of even using the label 'Christian' because of misrepresentation and mal-behavior passed off under such an appellation. In this case, you cant blame the offended, but those tarnishing the denomination.
Adding to some real truth-smack shared earlier here,
You might do well to get beyond 'labels', since you cant judge a book by its cover. You may also do well to consider that some have an aversion of even using the label 'Christian' because of misrepresentation and mal-behavior passed off under such an appellation. In this case, you cant blame the offended, but those tarnishing the denomination.
Whenever we feel part of a group that others name-call, condemn and damn to another place, we can easily feel despair and hopelessness.
If we can comfort ourselves, we will learn understanding of others treated similarly and find a moral way out of the whole mess.
We then become a member of the group of wounded healers.
Those who have been hurt themselves--and have bravely learned to face their own issues because of this hurtful treatment--can learn and grow in any one of the "helping professions."
In a time where the world is being destroyed and collapsing around us in slow motion, healers and helpers will be necessary and help develop a moral ethic as the human race folds in on itself.
***Those who claim the moniker "OTHER" are part of the "believers in exile" who have felt marginalized from "belief-based" Christianity. Some are actually atheists, many are former believers and others are adamant that Christian spirituality be intellectually honest.
***Jesus commanded to love our enemies. The feared stranger is always "the other."
***Those "others" that Jesus ate with, drank with and celebrated connection, healing and life were the homeless, the destitute and the cultural cast-offs.
It is an upsetting prospect to enter into fellowship with those our churches and society regard as human trash. When Jesus sent out his disciples in pairs to share food and heal the residents of a village, the distance between the itinerant and the householder was daunting. The first step into the household was an infinite gap.
False Prophet
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This does not surprise us. Even Satan changes himself to look like an angel of light. 2 Cor 11:14
Satan uses religious labels too!
Satan uses religious labels too!
Hedshaker
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Good point :thumb:
Other can apply to those on both sides of the fence. If you don't much care for any of the labels on offer then Other is the only option, really.
Quincy
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Yes,....I stand for 'inclusion'
Knight apparently doesn't think we need anymore catagories, unless anyone can try to convince him again of this. A few of my PM's have been unresponded to, in the past, ....not all, but a few as I recall. I just let it go.
Currently there are only these options -
Christian
Protestant Christian
Catholic Christian (Other)
LDS -
Mormon
Jehovah's Witness
Jewish
Messianic Jew
Muslim
Hindu
Buddhist
Agnostic
Atheist
Wiccan
Satanist
Pagan
Other
Some other possible category suggestions -
- Unitarian-Universalist
- Deist
- Theosophist
- Spiritualist
- Gnostic
- Humanist
- Eclectic
- Can u think of others?
I can understand why this forum may not be right for Gnostics and Spiritualists (if you mean the psychic medium or divination types) but I agree, there are many more religions out there that could work on TOL and the ones you listed would be nice to see.
I think the label Pagan might be a bit too broad, like Other is. There are many types of pagans, from druids to kemetics but I don't know if anyone who would actually participate here would be one of those. I remember this forum having Wicca folks on it in the past but it was more busy back then.
Then came Reddit, :chuckle: .
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
holy ones...........
holy ones...........
Glory in being "other"
If you want to get 'technical' about it.....'God' is recognized as 'other' in the OT......describing his 'holiness', being unique, one of a kind, separate,....so hey....we who are 'other' are kinda in God's category - after all, we are his offspring
We all are individual expressions of one universal consciousness, the Infinite itself.
Nothing wrong with sporting a label or belonging to a particular religious denomination or tradition,...unless one's identification with a particular label is misappropriated.
holy ones...........
Glory in being "other"
If you want to get 'technical' about it.....'God' is recognized as 'other' in the OT......describing his 'holiness', being unique, one of a kind, separate,....so hey....we who are 'other' are kinda in God's category
- after all, we are his offspring We all are individual expressions of one universal consciousness, the Infinite itself.
Nothing wrong with sporting a label or belonging to a particular religious denomination or tradition,...unless one's identification with a particular label is misappropriated.
Quincy
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Glory in being "other"
If you want to get 'technical' about it.....'God' is recognized as 'other' in the OT......describing his 'holiness', being unique, one of a kind, separate,....so hey....we who are 'other' are kinda in God's category
We all are individual expressions of one universal consciousness, the Infinite itself.
Nothing wrong with sporting a label or belonging to a particular religious denomination or tradition,...unless one's identification with a particular label is misappropriated.
I've always believed that a person's actions and words do more to indicate what kind of person he or she is. A bible salesman might rob you blind while a tattoo artist covered in tattoos and piercings might be the kindest person you've known. Labels, appearances and such can be misleading. We can't know what someone thinks deep down until they show it.
Satan's pain is that he is hidden from God.
Yep. Work, work, work is all I do around here.
Not only do I have to slave away studying to separate history from theology and the earthly Jesus from the exalted Christ, I work to try and make sure my comments are communicated in forms that allow the reader to understand where I am coming from.
It's no walk in the park to read and understand a poster who has been condemned as "disruptive" and "blasphemous." Even though those general titles are NEVER explained in ways that would be understood by any native speaker of English.
They are way to generalized to make any legitimate meaning.
The "others" are those who are forced to carry the burden of the in-group's shadow side.
Those who are unconscious of their own inner darkness usually project it out onto others so they won't have to process it.
Experience has taught us that we have only one enduring weapon in our struggle against mental illness: the emotional discovery and emotional acceptance of the truth in the individual and unique history of our childhood.
Contempt of others is the weapon of the weak--and a defense against one's own despised and unwanted feelings.
False Prophet
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The sophist is your brother.
glorydaz
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Have you ever stopped to consider that you might be overdramatizing things? That you're working too hard? It's as though you are searching as hard as you can for something to stew over.
Yeah. A7 is a little strange.
Spoken well Dr. Sigmund Freud. You're an outstanding mind in a
world full of insane patients. Think of yourself in that way.
I think you're on to something there, aikido7