republicanchick
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straw man b/c no one said otherwise.
I think taxes should be spent to fulfill Matthew 25:31
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straw man b/c no one said otherwise.
Quite irrelevant, as I stay on topic, her "argument"-
"Jesus said.............................."-republicanchick
"Jesus said" to sell all you have. Peter, the 11, the early Acts believers, all did it. Do it.
I thought so.
genuineoriginal
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That is not a strawman argument, it is applying a standard technique to demonstrate that your statement about taxes results in an untenable result.
Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to absurdity"; pl.: reductiones ad absurdum), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin: argument to absurdity), is a common form of argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial,[1] or in turn to demonstrate that a statement is false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance. ... First recognized and studied in classical Greek philosophy (the Latin term derives from the Greek "εις άτοπον απαγωγή" or eis atopon apagoge, "reduction to the impossible", for example in Aristotle's Prior Analytics),[1] this technique has been used throughout history in both formal mathematical and philosophical reasoning, as well as informal debate.
The government taking your money (taxes) will not be recognized by Jesus as if you personally clothed the naked and fed the hungry.
Also, Jesus said to visit those in prison.
The government spends your taxes to put people in prison and to pay for the guards that keep them there.
Is a guard walking around in a prison the same as you visiting a person in prison?
republicanchick
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How do u know? Does it say in the bible that Jesus will never accept your tax money given so the poor can be cared for is worthless? Where?? show me the passage. We cahtolics don't believe all God's truth can be found in the Bible but you non-Catholics do
no one is stopping anyone from visiting a prison to help someone.
In a perfect world we wouldn't need gummit to help take care of the poor. Are you willing to see what would happen if there were not more entitlemnets? moot point, I know..
I would be more than happy to get rid of all entitlemnts if I knew that people would care for the downtrodden ou of the goodness of hteir hearts... and maybe they would. The problem is that we don't know such a world... we cannot predict what would happen.
Still, i say we should do something to END the entitlement pograms..
it's just that neither party seems to have an answer or ... and/or does not want to talk about in an election cycle..
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oatmeal
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Don't you trust your church to do so?
genuineoriginal
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Genesis 4:7
Yes, Catholics often do not believe God's truth that can be found in the Bible.
Unfortunately for your argument, the government taking your taxes does stop you from using that money to help the poor and needy.
Government entitlements makes people despise their neighbor and refuse to have mercy on the poor.
Proverbs 14:21 21 He that despiseth his neighbour sinneth: but he that hath mercy on the poor, happy is he. |
republicanchick
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no
but then, I do not stay involved w/ my Church... on an ongoing basis. I am not the most sociable person..
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republicanchick
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this is the only thing you've said I tend to agree w/
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:31 and following, dovetails with:
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
These verses concern the returned Messiah's judgement upon the nations with regard to how they treat the Jews during Jacob's Trouble/The Great Tribulation.
They have nothing to do with Christian benevolence during the present timeframe.
republicanchick
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genuineoriginal
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Then why do you want to rewrite it?
republicanchick's version of Proverbs 14:21
"He whose government despiseth his neighbour has a government that sinneth: but he whose government hath mercy on the poor, happy is his government."
genuineoriginal
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In the Apocalypse (book of Revelation), Jesus directed letters to be written to seven churches, and the Church of Rome was not one of them.
So, what scriptural evidence do you have that Jesus only had one Church?
republicanchick
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he said "I will build my Church [not churches] and the gates of Hell will not prevail against IT [not them]"
mt 16:18
:idunno: Suit yourself and ignore the context.
genuineoriginal
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That leaves out the Church of Rome, then, since it apostasized around 325 CE.
republicanchick
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so Jesus didn't keep his promise (that the gates of Hell would not prevail)?
ok, I will put u down as one who thinks Jesus is a wimp
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genuineoriginal
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Jesus keeps His promises.
But Jesus never made a promise to the Church of Rome.
No, that is your apostasy speaking.
republicanchick
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twisted logic is no logic at all
if u study history, you will see that there was ONE Christian Church in the world for 1521 years when Luther came along. And guess what?
there still is only ONE true Church
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republicanchick
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you are so wrong and you don't even want to find out how wrong you are by studying Catholicism from a Catholic.. so you listen to all the anticatholics instead..
well, that is your choice, to remain ignorant and bigoted
genuineoriginal
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You calling it a "Church" only proves that it is not the ekklesia that Jesus established.