I feel sorry for people closed minded to Catholicism

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See Him: John 8:12 KJV

Challenged by these: John 8:13 KJV, John 8:19 KJV, John 8:25 KJV, John 8:41 KJV

Now hear Him: John 8:18 KJV

Then see this: John 8:38 KJV being Jesus' testimony to His divine Paternity. What did Jesus specifically and succinctly see with His Father?

And hear that: John 8:40 KJV being God's testimony to Jesus' divine Paternity. What did Jesus hear from God that even Abraham didn't?

And, since Catholics cannot unveil the explicit details of this and that, no wonder they aren't these: John 8:31 KJV never having been "converted" (Matthew 13:15 KJV) by (John 14:17 KJV, John 14:26 KJV) achieving John 8:32 KJV.

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Robert Pate said:
You won't find the truth in a church.

The truth is only found in the Bible. The Bible reveals the Gospel and how we are justified by faith apart from works.

Jesus said, "And few there be that find it". Find the Gospel that Justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

The Catholic church has NOT found it. They are to busy trying to re-habilitate the old dead Adam that was crucified with Christ, Romans 6:6.
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Cruciform said:
See this.


Straw Man Fallacy, since Catholics simply do not "worship" the pope. Try again.


According to public statistics, children are at far more risk being watched by a public school teacher or family member than a Catholic priest. Try again.


Straw Man Fallacy, since Catholics simply do not "worship" sacred objects or images. Try again.


Straw Man Fallacy, since Catholics do not believe that they can "work their way" to heaven, nor does the Church teach any such thing. Rather, salvation is wholly by God's grace. Try again.


See this.


See this.


All you've shown here is your vast ignorance of the Catholic Church and its teachings.



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Thanks for your input. However, I'll stick with my post.
 
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Cruciform said:
See this.


Straw Man Fallacy, since Catholics simply do not "worship" the pope. Try again.


According to public statistics, children are at far more risk being watched by a public school teacher or family member than a Catholic priest. Try again.


Straw Man Fallacy, since Catholics simply do not "worship" sacred objects or images. Try again.


Straw Man Fallacy, since Catholics do not believe that they can "work their way" to heaven, nor does the Church teach any such thing. Rather, salvation is wholly by God's grace. Try again.


See this.


See this.


All you've shown here is your vast ignorance of the Catholic Church and its teachings.



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Catholicism is a false doctrine.
 
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Cruciform said:
Catholicism isn't a "doctrine" at all. In any case, you have yet to actually prove your anti-Catholic claims, as Post #20 above plainly shows.



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Catholic is the name of the Universal Church. (Assembly of believers)
Catholicism is the doctrine. (The believers live by)
Catechism is the teaching of the doctrine. (questions and answers)

Have you read Vatican 1 and Vatican 2 ?
 
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republicanchick said:
you don't know one thing about me or my experiences, yet you tell me this kind of thing

presumptuous


icky

I know Catholicism

You don't
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]No one is doubting you know your catholicism. I think we are wonder whether that is ALL you know.
 
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I have a good friend that was raised in the Catholic Church for 18 years. This
friend of mine was commissioned by the Catholic church to visit various
countries. This person was invited to the Vatican to meet with Cardinals,
and Monsignors regarding their commission. Therefore, this friend has vast
knowledge and experience from Rome itself.

I was the first person to introduce this friend of mine, to a personal relationship
with The Lord Jesus Christ. My friend researched the Scriptures for many years,
from Genesis through Revelation. My friend made a decision to renounce
Catholicism, (doctrine) in order to dedicate their entire life to knowing/serving the
Lord.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
I have a good friend that was raised in the Catholic Church for 18 years. This
friend of mine was commissioned by the Catholic church to visit various
countries. This person was invited to the Vatican to meet with Cardinals,
and Monsignors regarding their commission. Therefore, this friend has vast
knowledge and experience from Rome itself.

I was the first person to introduce this friend of mine, to a personal relationship
with The Lord Jesus Christ. My friend researched the Scriptures for many years,
from Genesis through Revelation. My friend made a decision to renounce
Catholicism, (doctrine) in order to dedicate their entire life to knowing/serving the
Lord.
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That's a very sad story. No one should ever assume that they somehow need to reject Christ's Body (the Church) in order to please its Head (Christ himself). The contradiction at the heart of your comments here is self-evident.

I recommend this brief, but compelling, book:



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Beckwith, RETURN TO ROME: Confessions of an Evangelical Catholic (Brazos, 2008)​



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Cruciform said:
That's a very sad story. No one should ever assume that they somehow need to reject Christ's Body (the Church) in order to please its Head (Christ himself). The contradiction at the heart of your comments here is self-evident.

I recommend this brief, but compelling, book:






Gaudium de veritate,

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This friend does not renounce humanity, they renounce Catholicism.
This isn't a sad story, but a story of love, freedom, and a personal
relationship with the Lord.

This is a victorious journey with Christ, toward eternal life.
 
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Cruciform said:
Post #27


Yes.
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What's the doctrinal difference between the two? Why did the Vatican
decide to create Vatican 2?

There are Priests in the Catholic church who've barely read Vatican 1
There are Priests that have never read Vatican 2. Yet, they're still
serving/ministering to the Catholic church.
 
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Totton Linnet said:
The RCC has an appearance of godliness...but it denies the power thereof.
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I'm pretty sure she does not deny 'the power thereof'. Historically speaking, the pope is supposed as the physical embodiment of Chist.

Which hasn't really changed, actually. Throw it by a Catholic and they'd be inlclined to agree- they would go in that direction in argument, that he is the speaker of God and we're just the sorry people.
 
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