I am disgusted!

[Mr. 5020]

I think where you and I disagree is what should be done to try and prevent this.

All I say is to do things that will make a difference and aren't a black eye in what you're trying to do. I would be willing to say that the Terri protest lost some of its honor by the actions of McBurney and followers, at least in the eyes of some, wouldn't you?

 

[Imrahil]

It can be immoral to do things the wrong way. A sniper that goes around shooting rapists will serve in prison right next to a rapist.

:doh: A sniper going around shooting rapists would be immoral. That would not be the "right thing the wrong way".

 

[Mr. 5020]

:doh: A sniper going around shooting rapists would be immoral. That would not be the "right thing the wrong way".

You don't think rapists should be put to death?

 

[ShadowMaid]

All I say is to do things that will make a difference and aren't a black eye in what you're trying to do. I would be willing to say that the Terri protest lost some of its honor by the actions of McBurney and followers, at least in the eyes of some, wouldn't you?

They were right for trying to get Terri water, and protesting. They did make a difference.

 

[Mr. 5020]

They were right for trying to get Terri water, and protesting. They did make a difference.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[julie21]

They were right for trying to get Terri water, and protesting. They did make a difference.

Terri didn't get the water...her life ended..what difference did they make? I am seriously interested Shadowmaid, because I cannot see it.
A future difference may be made through fixing/exploring better legislation under the Constitution to ensure this does not set a precedent for future victims.

 

[ShadowMaid]

You didn't answer my question.

Can you restate your question?

 

[Imrahil]

You don't think rapists should be put to death?

I absolutely think they should be put to death! That is completely different than someone taking it upon themselves to go around killing them. Justice must be applied by the proper authorities for it to be just.

 

[ShadowMaid]

Terri didn't get the water...her life ended..what difference did they make? I am seriously interested Shadowmaid, because I cannot see it.
A future difference may be made through fixing/exploring better legislation under the Constitution to ensure this does not set a precedent for future victims.

It's more then just Terri. It's also about showing people the truth. The police men for example, it would have never entered their minds that they were being paid to help murder an innocent woman if there were no protesters to talk them through it.

 

[Mr. 5020]

I absolutely think they should be put to death! That is completely different than someone taking it upon themselves to go around killing them. Justice must be applied by the proper authorities for it to be just.

Hmmm....I think you're swinging now, or at least confusing me. The proceeding dialogue made me believe that you thought a sniper taking out evil-doers was ok. Was I mistaken?

I disagree. People can lose the sanctity of their own life by taking another. For example, if I hold you hostage, and threaten to shoot you in the head, it would not be wrong for a police sniper to blow my brains all over the place.

I didn't get a chance to bring this up earlier but would you agree that by the same logic, you would be right to stop an abortionist by similar means if necessary?

No. One is against the law, and the other is not.

What if kidnapping, rape or murder is legalized? Would you then condemn that sniper?

In that case, yes, I would condemn the sniper.

Why on earth would you condemn a man who saves an innocent life?

 

[Mr. 5020]

It's more then just Terri. It's also about showing people the truth. The police men for example, it would have never entered their minds that they were being paid to help murder an innocent woman if there were no protesters to talk them through it.

Check out the second sentence of my post.

All I say is to do things that will make a difference and aren't a black eye in what you're trying to do. I would be willing to say that the Terri protest lost some of its honor by the actions of McBurney and followers, at least in the eyes of some, wouldn't you?

 

[Mr. 5020]

It's more then just Terri. It's also about showing people the truth. The police men for example, it would have never entered their minds that they were being paid to help murder an innocent woman if there were no protesters to talk them through it.

There's a difference between "the protest" and what McBurney & Co. did.

 

[Imrahil]

Hmmm....I think you're swinging now, or at least confusing me. The proceeding dialogue made me believe that you thought a sniper taking out evil-doers was ok. Was I mistaken?

I said it is right to save an innocent life. That is different from a civilian taking it upon himself to kill criminals without authorization. Intervening in a crime to save a life, even if it means taking the life of the perpetrator, is justified and honorable. Simply killing people after the fact is completely different.

 

[Mr. 5020]

We were referring to a sniper and an abortionist.

 

[Poly]

There's a difference between "the protest" and what McBurney & Co. did.

If all the people that McBurney gave cups to, trying to encourage them to go with him, agreed to and was able to bust their way through, getting a dring to her, do you think it would have been worth it then?

 

[Mr. 5020]

If all the people that McBurney gave cups to, trying to encourage them to go with him, agreed to and was able to bust their way through, getting a dring to her, do you think it would have been worth it then?

No. It would have prolonged her torture, nothing more.

 

[Poly]

No. It would have prolonged her torture, nothing more.

So you were against any medical treatment for her?

 

[Imrahil]

We were referring to a sniper and an abortionist.

Yes, in the conversation a couple days ago, I said it is right to save an innocent life. Do you see some inconsistency?

 

[Mr. 5020]

So you were against any medical treatment for her?

No no no...misunderstanding. I would have been fine with medical treatment. But 300 people busting into a hospital to give her a drink of water, only to be overtaken by the police, would have just added a few days to the starvation process.

 

[Mr. 5020]

Yes, in the conversation a couple days ago, I said it is right to save an innocent life. Do you see some inconsistency?

In the dialogue mentioned before, you asked if I would condemn a sniper who took out a rapist, kidnapper, etc., should it be made legal. I answered in the affirmative, to which you said, "Why would you condemn someone who saved an innocent life?" You are now telling me that a sniper taking out a rapist would be wrong, so yest, I do see some inconsistency.