I Am Almost In Tears

[popsthebuilder]

I basically agree with much of your post.

Two points of one or two other points which I can not agree with, however, are:

1 - the idea that your relating that you are in tears about such things will move any of the kinds of people you are referring to.

For the very reasons you cited about the various stages of growth such often display any a clue about in their interactions with others.

You're basically posting that to the same kinds of people the writer of Hebrews wrote something similar to in Hebrews 5, at the same time that he related in that same chapter his awareness about their kind - that where there kind was concerned - no one was home.

2 - Which brings me to my second disagreement with the above.

I have just now based my above to you, based on a memory of what the writer of Hebrews wrote about it.

Was that a result of the Holy Spirit bringing that chapter to my mind?

Nope.

Rather, as in any area in life, whenever we find ourselves in and or reading about a context similar to one we have experienced and or read about before, what is known as a Context Marker is set off by the simililarity between the two contexts

The result being that we then automatically remember "the first time I heard that song, where I was, what its' lyrics were," and so on...

That is not the Spirit, that is our own memory.

In the case of our remembering related passages of Scripture, this is simply because we have previously exposed our mind and its memory processes to those passaages, simply through time in the Scripture reading and or studying them.

Something else of interest about this second point, to me at least...

You want to know why, say, two Bible students both remember a same passage or passages, during one debate or another, and yet each their understanding of those same passages might reflect a night and day difference in each their understandings said passages?

I mean, if you're right about the Spirit being the one doing the leading unto all truth - as such a superstition would conclude: absent of having studied out in depth the actual sense of such passages - then why are those two Bible students at such odds as to each their often very different understanding of passages?

Why?

Because as I have just laid out, one, the Spirit is not the One bringing passages to one's remembrance. Rather, our God given memory processes in Adam do that.

So, there is that.

And then their is the just as readily observable fact that where one is often unknowingly studying passages out from, both influences and becomes part of the memorized context they conclude they are seeing in the passages.

Later, a similar context sets off said memory in the person.

The poster "dodge," is a perfect example of this - one or another MAD will point a thing out to him from within a much fuller picture of things that he has clearly failed to look at things from.

Next thing one sees, is dodge quoting passages he asserts say what he asserts they do.

His error while studying, or whatever it is he so sloppily does, has become memorized by his mind's memory processes.

Sure enough, as with any "garbage (information) in, garbage (information) out" memory processing unit, up come those very errors into his conscious remembrance, for him to pound his chest about some hollow victory or another about "in his own mind."

Result?

There is no reasoning with either of the two kinds of people described in the above.

There is only, Rom. 5:6-8.

That is all one can focus on, when dealing with such: the mind of Christ towards such.

A focus which also is a result of time in the Word studying out there, where the Lord might want one to look at others from - no matter who they are or how they conduct themselves.

Do that, squeek, and whatever tears you are going on about will easily be replaced by the automatic thought "ah, an opportunity to look at this individual from where Christ looks at all of us..."

Which is the following focus no matter how repeatedly dense or even hypocritical the individual one might even point such things out to, might twist them into anything but one's actual, following intent.

The focus of...

Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

One of my very favorite passages.

It shows that the haughty will be replaced by the meek....in each of the believers.

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[popsthebuilder]

I said
The carnal mind is very deceptive. And uses gross exaggerations to justify itself. Look at what I wrote I said almost and you assumed I was at tears. Almost implies I am sad. Now as far as the Holy Spirit bringing the verses to mind. You did blaspheme Him with your statement. Here is a revelation on the hidden language of the Holy Spirit. You might pay close attention to this verse.

[Jhn 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

HIDDEN LANGUAGE (HOLY SPIRIT LANGUAGE)(MEAT)(NEW TONGUE)

John 6:63
63"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Rev 2:16
16'Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
1 Cor 2:4-5
4And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:6-7
6However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
Matt 13:10-11
10And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13"Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14"And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
1 Cor 14:10
10There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
1 Cor 14:7-8
7Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
8For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
Rom 8:27
27Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
James 3:17
17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Matt 13:16-17
16"But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
17"for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
Matt 13:18-19
18"Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
19"When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
Mark 4:14
14"The sower sows the word.
John 14:26
26"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 3:34
34"For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33"He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
Eph 1:9
9having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
2 Cor 5:5
5Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:7
7For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2 Cor 5:10-11
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Matt 4:4
4But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rev 22:18-19
18For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)
There are many languages in the world. Doctors have one, lawyers have one, intellectuals have one, common people have one. Seeing that the only guaranteed message in the bible comes from the Holy Spirit. So to guard that guarantee He even uses a special language. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He explains verses with other verses. There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal. So we can discern the Holy Spirit He quotes verses. Now this is the meat understanding of the Word. The milk understanding is done with the carnal language, the meat understanding is done with only verses. Its an unknown tongue to the carnal mind.

[Mat 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

II Jn 1:8-11
8Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 3:5-6
5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 4:6
6Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)

John 5:30
30"I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
(NKJ)
Eph 6:17
17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
(NKJ)

John 7:18
18"He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
(NKJ)

John 8:42-43
42Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
(NKJ)

Col 2:1-3

1For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh,
that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ,
3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
(NKJ)

Col 1:26
26the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 13:8-10
8Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
(NKJ)


Zeph 3:9
9"For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language, that they all may call on the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one accord.
(NKJ)


Gal 2:18-20
18"For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19"For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
(NKJ)

John 10:9
9"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

What most people dont know is that the Holy Spirit cannot teach you unless you believe the verses the way they are written. Most people believe the interpretations of the verses, but not the verses the way they are written. That is the only way the Holy Spirit can speak to us. We have always had a guardian angel that speaks to us carnally. And we have always had our own devil speaking to us carnally. It takes the Holy Spirit with the verses working inside of us to discern who is who..

[Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit [is], because He makes intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

AN UNKNOWN TONGUE

"That is the only way the Holy Spirit can speak to us."

please don't limit our GOD friend.

Thank you for the scripture. It is good to see you focus on the brotherly love and unity in goodness of heart.

peace

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[popsthebuilder]

I said
lol That's the part that proves I'm right. Look at it again, All things that Jesus has already said to you. which is the scriptures.
Remembrance, and said are both past tense, not present tense, nor future tense. But past tense.


[Jhn 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

How can you limit all things He said if He is the First born all else is of? how can you repeately limit the capacities of our GOD to verbatim qoutes of translated writings?

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[popsthebuilder]

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lol Your an idiot. You should go tell God He is wrong according to you. And be sure to come back and tell me how that went. lol


[Jhn 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Clear signs squeaky.....not acting too clean. What are His teachings in such a case as yours.....?

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[Squeaky]

"That is the only way the Holy Spirit can speak to us."

please don't limit our GOD friend.

Thank you for the scripture. It is good to see you focus on the brotherly love and unity in goodness of heart.

peace

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I am not limiting God, because God is the one that showed me all this through His Word. What I am doing is warning people about deception. There is a phony god out there that is deceiving people.

[2Co 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

[Squeaky]

How can you limit all things He said if He is the First born all else is of? how can you repeately limit the capacities of our GOD to verbatim qoutes of translated writings?

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I went through the three years of the milk understanding, and the eleven years of the meat understanding. Then I came to the revelations of Jesus Christ. And I am sharing them.

[Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things [are] naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we [must give] account.

 

[Squeaky]

Clear signs squeaky.....not acting too clean. What are His teachings in such a case as yours.....?

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In some cases, but always led by the Spirit.
[Mat 7:6
6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The Holy Spirit is not limited in communication or help by verbatim translation of original Greek or Hebrew texts written by inspired men.

I said
I am not limiting God, because God is the one that showed me all this through His Word. What I am doing is warning people about deception. There is a phony god out there that is deceiving people.

[2Co 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

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[Squeaky]

The Holy Spirit is not limited in communication or help by verbatim translation of original Greek or Hebrew texts written by inspired men.

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Well do you have any evidence of that? Because I showed you evidence to the contrary.

 

[popsthebuilder]

GOD is omniscient and omnipresent and omnipotent.

The Spirit lives within the believer.

Do you need scripture to know my words are true?

I said
Well do you have any evidence of that? Because I showed you evidence to the contrary.

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[Squeaky]

GOD is omniscient and omnipresent and omnipotent.

The Spirit lives within the believer.

Do you need scripture to know my words are true?

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Yes because there is scripture that proves everything. I always prove what I say with scripture. If someone is going to dispute me and the proof test I use, their going to have to have scripture to do it with. If they don't have scripture their just guessing. To be a born again Christian we are not even allowed to think beyond what is written. And we cant add one thing to the verses or take one thing away from the verses.

[Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things [are] naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we [must give] account.


[1Co 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

[Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I guess I figured the Holy Spirit would bring it to mind verbatim for you; making it quite pointless for me to do it.

I said
Yes because there is scripture that proves everything. I always prove what I say with scripture. If someone is going to dispute me and the proof test I use, their going to have to have scripture to do it with. If they don't have scripture their just guessing. To be a born again Christian we are not even allowed to think beyond what is written. And we cant add one thing to the verses or take one thing away from the verses.

[Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things [are] naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we [must give] account.


[1Co 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

[Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Isaiah 44:24 - “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself.”

Jeremiah 32:17 – “Ah, Sovereign LORD, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.”

Psalm 147:5 – “Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.”
Isaiah 46:10-11 – “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’ From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that I will bring about; what I have planned, that I will do.”

Who can fathom the Spirit of the LORD, or instruct the LORD as his counselor? Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge, or showed him the path of understanding?” (Isaiah 40:13-14).


“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).

“O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3).

“My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. How precious to me are your thoughts, God! How vast is the sum of them! Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand—when I awake, I am still with you” (Psalm 139:15-16).

“Can anyone teach knowledge to God, since he judges even the highest?” (Job 21:22).

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever” (1 Chronicles 28:9).

“Do you know how the clouds hang poised, those wonders of him who has perfect knowledge?” (Job 37:16).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).


Jeremiah 23:23-24
"Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD. "Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off?

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Watching the evil and the good.

Jesus revealed to His disciples the new role the Spirit of Truth would play in their lives: “He lives with you and will be in you” (John 14:17). The apostle Paul wrote, “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you are bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20).

Today, there is no Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and the animal sacrifices have ceased. The believer in Christ has become the inner sanctum of God the Holy Spirit, as the believer has been sanctified and forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:7). The believer in Christ becomes the habitation of the Holy Spirit of God. In fact, Scripture also says that the believer is indwelt spiritually by Christ (Colossians 1:27) and by God the Father (1 John 4:15)—the Trinity is involved.

As the Holy Spirit lives in the believer, He brings about some life-changing results:

1) The indwelling Spirit comes to a soul dead in sin and creates new life (Titus 3:5). This is the new birth Jesus spoke of in John 3:1–8.

2) The indwelling Spirit confirms to the believer that he belongs to the Lord and is an heir of God and fellow-heir with Christ (Romans 8:15–17).

3) The indwelling Spirit installs the new believer as a member of Christ’s universal church. This is the baptism of the Spirit, according to 1 Corinthians 12:13.

4) The indwelling Spirit gives spiritual gifts (God-given abilities for service) to the believer to edify the church and serve the Lord effectively for His glory (1 Corinthians 12:11).

5) The indwelling Spirit helps the believer understand and apply the Scripture to his daily life (1 Corinthians 2:12).

6) The indwelling Spirit enriches the believer’s prayer life and intercedes for him in prayer (Romans 8:26–27).

7) The indwelling Holy Spirit empowers the yielded believer to live for Christ to do His will (Galatians 5:16). The Spirit leads the believer in paths of righteousness (Romans 8:14).

8) The indwelling Spirit gives evidence of new life by producing the fruit of the Spirit in the believer’s life (Galatians 5:22–23).

9) The indwelling Spirit is grieved when the believer sins (Ephesians 4:30), and He convicts the believer to confess his sin to the Lord so that fellowship is restored (1 John 1:9).

10) The indwelling Spirit seals the believer unto the day of redemption so that the believer’s arrival in the Lord’s presence is guaranteed after this life (Ephesians 1:13–14).

When you accept Christ as your Savior (Romans 10:9–13), the Holy Spirit takes up residence in your heart, bringing with Him an entirely new life of love, relationship, and service to the Lord.


*(Just ask if you need more in order to believe I am not lying to you or against you.

peace)*




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[Squeaky]

I guess I figured the Holy Spirit would bring it to mind verbatim for you; making it quite pointless for me to do it.

Isaiah 44:24 - “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself.”

Jeremiah 32:17 – “Ah, Sovereign LORD, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.”

Psalm 147:5 – “Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.”
Isaiah 46:10-11 – “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’ From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that I will bring about; what I have planned, that I will do.”

Who can fathom the Spirit of the LORD, or instruct the LORD as his counselor? Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge, or showed him the path of understanding?” (Isaiah 40:13-14).


“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).

“O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3).

“My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. How precious to me are your thoughts, God! How vast is the sum of them! Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand—when I awake, I am still with you” (Psalm 139:15-16).

“Can anyone teach knowledge to God, since he judges even the highest?” (Job 21:22).

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever” (1 Chronicles 28:9).

“Do you know how the clouds hang poised, those wonders of him who has perfect knowledge?” (Job 37:16).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).


Jeremiah 23:23-24
"Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD. "Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off?

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Watching the evil and the good.

Jesus revealed to His disciples the new role the Spirit of Truth would play in their lives: “He lives with you and will be in you” (John 14:17). The apostle Paul wrote, “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you are bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20).

Today, there is no Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and the animal sacrifices have ceased. The believer in Christ has become the inner sanctum of God the Holy Spirit, as the believer has been sanctified and forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:7). The believer in Christ becomes the habitation of the Holy Spirit of God. In fact, Scripture also says that the believer is indwelt spiritually by Christ (Colossians 1:27) and by God the Father (1 John 4:15)—the Trinity is involved.

As the Holy Spirit lives in the believer, He brings about some life-changing results:

1) The indwelling Spirit comes to a soul dead in sin and creates new life (Titus 3:5). This is the new birth Jesus spoke of in John 3:1–8.

2) The indwelling Spirit confirms to the believer that he belongs to the Lord and is an heir of God and fellow-heir with Christ (Romans 8:15–17).

3) The indwelling Spirit installs the new believer as a member of Christ’s universal church. This is the baptism of the Spirit, according to 1 Corinthians 12:13.

4) The indwelling Spirit gives spiritual gifts (God-given abilities for service) to the believer to edify the church and serve the Lord effectively for His glory (1 Corinthians 12:11).

5) The indwelling Spirit helps the believer understand and apply the Scripture to his daily life (1 Corinthians 2:12).

6) The indwelling Spirit enriches the believer’s prayer life and intercedes for him in prayer (Romans 8:26–27).

7) The indwelling Holy Spirit empowers the yielded believer to live for Christ to do His will (Galatians 5:16). The Spirit leads the believer in paths of righteousness (Romans 8:14).

8) The indwelling Spirit gives evidence of new life by producing the fruit of the Spirit in the believer’s life (Galatians 5:22–23).

9) The indwelling Spirit is grieved when the believer sins (Ephesians 4:30), and He convicts the believer to confess his sin to the Lord so that fellowship is restored (1 John 1:9).

10) The indwelling Spirit seals the believer unto the day of redemption so that the believer’s arrival in the Lord’s presence is guaranteed after this life (Ephesians 1:13–14).

When you accept Christ as your Savior (Romans 10:9–13), the Holy Spirit takes up residence in your heart, bringing with Him an entirely new life of love, relationship, and service to the Lord.


*(Just ask if you need more in order to believe I am not lying to you or against you.

peace)*




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I said
Oh that is so sad. And so deceiving. When you use the old testament to justify your interpretation you miss the truth. Jesus said all who ever came before Him ARE thieves and robbers.

[Jhn 10:8
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
[Gal 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.


When you interpret the verses instead of quoting them you pervert them. You left out the "IF". If you suffer with Him.

[Rom 8:15-17
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ,

if indeed we suffer with [Him], that we may also be glorified together.

 

[popsthebuilder]

How did you miss the nt I posted?

There's plenty more verses that I didn't even include. Try reading the whole post and then responding after considering it.

I said
Oh that is so sad. And so deceiving. When you use the old testament to justify your interpretation you miss the truth. Jesus said all who ever came before Him ARE thieves and robbers.

[Jhn 10:8
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
[Gal 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.


When you interpret the verses instead of quoting them you pervert them. You left out the "IF". If you suffer with Him.

[Rom 8:15-17
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ,

if indeed we suffer with [Him], that we may also be glorified together.

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[Squeaky]

How did you miss the nt I posted?

There's plenty more verses that I didn't even include. Try reading the whole post and then responding after considering it.

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I said
You seem to relate the Holy Spirit as being God. We differ on that assumption.

The Word says we have never heard Gods voice nor seen His form. We seen Jesus, and we hear the Holy Spirit quote verses every day. Or atleast I do. So neither one of them can be God.

[Jhn 5:37-38
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

God only speaks to Jesus and Jesus spoke to the apostles, and the apostles spoke to us.

[Heb 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;


And the Holy Spirit only brings to remembrance what Jesus has already said to us.

[Jhn 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

The Holy Spirit is not allowed to speak to us any other way. He can only take from Jesus what Jesus has said.

[Jhn 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own [authority], but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare [it] to you.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Squeaky,

I said
I went through the three years of the milk understanding, and the eleven years of the meat understanding. Then I came to the revelations of Jesus Christ. And I am sharing them.

Heb 4:12-13 12 For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things [are] naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we [must give] account.

Your constant claim to have progressed from the milk to the meat, reminds me of the following two passages that use this terminology:
1 Corinthians 2:12–3:2 (KJV): 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrews 5:10–14 (KJV): 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

You even claim to have progressed beyond the meat and have come to the revelations of Jesus Christ and you are sharing this with us. Could I suggest that many of us have experienced the company of those who we respect and who not only clearly speak and expound the Word of God but pre-eminently manifest the way of life in Christ? One aspect of their character is their humility and warm love for their brethren. Another is their deep love for the Word and their clear exposition. Apart from these comments I will not respond to your claims.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Squeaky]

Greetings again Squeaky, Your constant claim to have progressed from the milk to the meat, reminds me of the following two passages that use this terminology:
1 Corinthians 2:12–3:2 (KJV): 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrews 5:10–14 (KJV): 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

You even claim to have progressed beyond the meat and have come to the revelations of Jesus Christ and you are sharing this with us. Could I suggest that many of us have experienced the company of those who we respect and who not only clearly speak and expound the Word of God but pre-eminently manifest the way of life in Christ? One aspect of their character is their humility and warm love for their brethren. Another is their deep love for the Word and their clear exposition. Apart from these comments I will not respond to your claims.

Kind regards
Trevor

I said
The verses you got from the Holy Spirit support everything I have been saying.

[1Co 11:1-3
1 Imitate me, just as I also [imitate] Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered [them] to you.
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman [is] man, and the head of Christ [is] God.

Jesus set the example, Paul followed the example, and we are to follow his example.

[Jhn 13:15
15 "For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.
[Phl 3:17
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.
[2Th 3:9
9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us.

 

[Squeaky]

I hope you understand IF we follow Paul's example we will not fit into the world. The world will hate us. And the people of the world will reject us because we are in the world but not of the world.

[Mar 13:13
13 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
[Luk 21:17
17 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake.
[Jhn 15:18, 25
18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before [it hated] you. ... 25 "But [this happened] that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.'
[Jhn 17:14
14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I said
You seem to relate the Holy Spirit as being God. We differ on that assumption.

The Word says we have never heard Gods voice nor seen His form. We seen Jesus, and we hear the Holy Spirit quote verses every day. Or atleast I do. So neither one of them can be God.

[Jhn 5:37-38
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

God only speaks to Jesus and Jesus spoke to the apostles, and the apostles spoke to us.

[Heb 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;


And the Holy Spirit only brings to remembrance what Jesus has already said to us.

[Jhn 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

The Holy Spirit is not allowed to speak to us any other way. He can only take from Jesus what Jesus has said.

[Jhn 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own [authority], but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare [it] to you.

"He will teach you all things"


The above is scripture. Below is your contrast.

"God only speaks to Jesus"

"And the Holy Spirit only brings to remembrance what Jesus has already said to us."

So if the Spirit isn't GOD and is only verbatim scripture then how is it that the Word carrying the sword of the Spirit is what to you?

GOD is the Spirit is Christ is Messiah is the Word. There is no distinction to be made. The Spirit is of GOD. The Word emanates from GOD.


accusing me of assumption and deception isn't helping your case friend.

How is it that the Spirit will show us all things yet too can only reiterate verbatim scripture that Jesus spoke seeing as how Jesus was not all knowing as a man? So all things doesn't really mean all things to you I guess.

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[clefty]

I hope you understand IF we follow Paul's example we will not fit into the world. The world will hate us. And the people of the world will reject us because we are in the world but not of the world.

[Mar 13:13
13 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
[Luk 21:17
17 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake.
[Jhn 15:18, 25
18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before [it hated] you. ... 25 "But [this happened] that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.'
[Jhn 17:14
14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

Sorry sneaky...you do NOT follow Paul’s example...